Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Charles Zeitler
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:51 AM, Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us wrote: On 11/01/2012 10:28 PM, Charles Zeitler wrote: That's just not a valid assumption to make. ahem! there are no valid assumptions! ;) cfzeitler So what you're saying is, it's not valid for me to assume that you're a member

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Ian Malone
On 2 November 2012 03:46, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/01/2012 07:44 PM, Ian Malone wrote: That's actually my point. If they're in the middle of a re-write then yes there are going to be bugs and they probably know what they are. That's just not a valid assumption to make.

Question regarding broken package dependencies

2012-11-02 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
Should I report this somewhere? I am not using updates-testing. Error: Package: springframework-context-support-3.1.1-10.fc17.noarch (updates) Requires: freemarker = 2.3.19 Available: freemarker-2.3.13-14.fc17.noarch (fedora) freemarker = 2.3.13-14.fc17 You

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Roger
Fedora is bleeding edge development, I'm not sure that release deadlines are beneficial. Maybe instead of Delayed Again headlines could it have a positive spin? May be for headlines to say NEW IMPROVEMENTS TO BE IN FEDORA FOR UPCOMING RELEASE. Personally, I'm glad that Fedora's attitude is, We

Re: Live wallpaper, anyone? (Possible Troll)

2012-11-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:51:16 +1100 Junayeed Ahnaf nirj...@outlook.com wrote: I know it requires compiz but if someone can tell me how to compile this on my machine , I would be ever obliged :) No Compiz is obsoleted in Fedora. Why not use Ubuntu, as it seems to have everything you need

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 01.11.2012 04:55, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote: Distro like Ubuntu and Suse almost never fails there shipping date, what do you think about Fedora's consecutive delays? Doesn't it hurt it's adoption rate to end users? End user doesn't care about release date or number. End user need stability and

Re: Live wallpaper, anyone? (Possible Troll)

2012-11-02 Thread Sergio
On 11/02/2012 07:12 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 15:51:16 +1100 Junayeed Ahnaf nirj...@outlook.com wrote: I know it requires compiz but if someone can tell me how to compile this on my machine , I would be ever obliged :) Compiz is available from an alternate Mate repo:

Re: Live wallpaper, anyone? (Possible Troll)

2012-11-02 Thread Zoltan Hoppar
HI, But instead of this, I think we can make an svg as wallpaper, what is changing as time passes. We made this earlier, and doesn't require too much to have it - also can result an nice touch if someone needs. However, this compiz animated wallpaper in my opinion has no productivity use, and

Re: Live wallpaper, anyone? (Possible Troll)

2012-11-02 Thread Sergio
I didn't even look at the original link. But adding to the discussion, enlightenment (e17) supports animated wallpapers and I think it doesn't use so much resources. --- Em sex, 2/11/12, Zoltan Hoppar hopp...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Zoltan Hoppar hopp...@gmail.com Assunto: Re: Live wallpaper,

Re: Live wallpaper, anyone? (Possible Troll)

2012-11-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 07:50:27 -0200 Sergio sergiocmailbox-userl...@yahoo.com.br wrote: That's a very superficial thing he's asking for. You haven't been following the list then. -- Regards, Frank -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Timothy Murphy
Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: End user doesn't care about release date or number. End user need stability and predictability. What is an end user, as a matter of interest? Is it a polite term for newbie? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Timothy Murphy
Ian Malone wrote: And the move to F18 does mean a big functional change in the installer, which is what the issue is. Is there something wrong with the current Anaconda? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:43:35 +0100 Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: End user doesn't care about release date or number. End user need stability and predictability. What is an end user, as a matter of interest? Is it a polite term for newbie?

Re: KMail trash folder?

2012-11-02 Thread Timothy Murphy
Alan Evans wrote: In KMail (F17), where is the Trash folder? If I select a message and then click the Move to Trash button, where is the message moved to? How do I recover accidentally deleted messages? On the sidebar, there is only inbox, outbox, and sent-mail listed under Local Folders.

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:45:21 +0100 Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Ian Malone wrote: And the move to F18 does mean a big functional change in the installer, which is what the issue is. Is there something wrong with the current Anaconda? In relation to Fedora 17, no. But

fedora jam spin update

2012-11-02 Thread Ian Malone
An update progress on the Fedora Jam spin for music and audio creation: http://ibmalone.blogspot.com/2012/11/cooking-jam.html As ever you can get involved at: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Audio_creation_spin_development http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_jam Discussion list:

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 02.11.2012 13:43, schrieb Timothy Murphy: Mateusz Marzantowicz wrote: End user doesn't care about release date or number. End user need stability and predictability. What is an end user, as a matter of interest? Is it a polite term for newbie? someone who does USE it's computer and

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Fri, Nov 02, 2012 at 12:56:16PM +, Frank Murphy wrote: On Fri, 02 Nov 2012 13:45:21 +0100 Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: Ian Malone wrote: And the move to F18 does mean a big functional change in the installer, which is what the issue is. Is there something

Re: KMail trash folder?

2012-11-02 Thread Alan Evans
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 5:52 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: I use KMail accessing mail on an IMAP server. In my case I can choose the Trash folder, by going to KMail=Settings=Configure KMail=Accounts, then highlighting the appropriate account, and clicking on Modify=Advanced, where there is an

Re: Anyone doing UPNP on Fedora ?

2012-11-02 Thread Steve
On 11/01/2012 07:58 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote: I didn't give any details because your question is pretty vague :P upnp can be used for serving media and for controlling various devices (firewall/NAT on your router, IP cam, etc) I'd like to make a hard drive containing various media files

Re: Live wallpaper, anyone?

2012-11-02 Thread Jack Craig
On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Junayeed Ahnaf nirj...@outlook.com wrote: Hello, I got proper excited seeing this post on OMG Ubuntu = http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/11/live-wallpaper-for-ubuntu and wondering if it could be done on Fedora or not. you may be amused to hear this

Re: Anyone doing UPNP on Fedora ?

2012-11-02 Thread Patrick Lists
On 11/02/2012 01:54 AM, Steve wrote: Is anyone using UPNP on Fedora ? As a server or a client ? I could not figure out howto make Rygel work on F17 with my Sony Bravia tv. I now use Serviio. Works fine streaming even 1080p mkv files and there is also an Android app which you can use to

Re: Anyone doing UPNP on Fedora ?

2012-11-02 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 02 November 2012, Steve sent: Right now I am trying to share the media drive using uShare or XBMC. I get the same results with both. On the Android tablet I can see the shared folders using the Bubble UPNP player, but they appear empty. On a Fedora laptop I can

Re: Routing packets through specific interface

2012-11-02 Thread Rick Stevens
On 11/01/2012 07:48 PM, Alex issued this missive: Hi, I have a host with an ethernet interface and an alias that I've created. I need packets to specifically be routed through the alias interface because that is the IP address the remote host is expecting. Should I do this using SNAT or

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 02 November 2012, Timothy Murphy sent: What is an end user, as a matter of interest? Is it a polite term for newbie? I would say, especially in this conversation, that it's the person who will be using the computer, rather than those creating the software. I still think

Re: KMail trash folder?

2012-11-02 Thread Tim
Timothy Murphy wrote: I use KMail accessing mail on an IMAP server. In my case I can choose the Trash folder, by going to KMail=Settings=Configure KMail=Accounts, then highlighting the appropriate account, and clicking on Modify=Advanced, where there is an option to choose the Trash

Re: Download video from vimeo

2012-11-02 Thread Sergio
On 11/02/2012 02:44 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote: Binary version of http://clipgrab.de/en works just fine in Fedora 17. On-line you can use http://keepvid.com/ Erm, but how do I run this clipgrab thing? Click on the 'Free Download' (I think you did already),

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 02.11.2012 18:08, Tim wrote: I think the Fedora project needs to have a good think about what they're doing. If they want it to be a geek thing, like it's been so far, that's all well and good, but don't pursue conflicting goals (as it seems to be going, now). If they want it to be for

ImageMagick error message ???

2012-11-02 Thread Jim
Fedora 17 / KDE 4.9 Having trouble converting density of a Image tom.jpg. This error message below , is it because a empty bob.jpg image is not there ? How do I fix this problem? $ convert -density 72x72 tom.jpg bob.jpg convert: delegate failed `html2ps -U -o %o %i' @

Re: ImageMagick error message ???

2012-11-02 Thread Dale Dellutri
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: Fedora 17 / KDE 4.9 Having trouble converting density of a Image tom.jpg. This error message below , is it because a empty bob.jpg image is not there ? How do I fix this problem? $ convert -density 72x72 tom.jpg bob.jpg

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Charles Zeitler cfzeit...@gmail.comwrote: So what you're saying is, it's not valid for me to assume that you're a member of homo sapiens? yes. given a set of assumptions, valid ( or invalid ) deductions and arguments can be made- but the assumptions

Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: If the developers aren't testing the stuff as they write it then I'm rather surprised. And you've trimmed the bit where we were talking about Anaconda. Quick testing is going to be an install in a VM, Developers can test

Re: Anyone doing UPNP on Fedora ?

2012-11-02 Thread Konstantin Svist
On 11/02/2012 08:01 AM, Steve wrote: On 11/01/2012 07:58 PM, Konstantin Svist wrote: I didn't give any details because your question is pretty vague :P upnp can be used for serving media and for controlling various devices (firewall/NAT on your router, IP cam, etc) I'd like to make a hard

Re: Download video from vimeo

2012-11-02 Thread Sergio
On 11/02/2012 03:49 PM, Sergio wrote: On 11/02/2012 02:44 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf wrote: Binary version of http://clipgrab.de/en works just fine in Fedora 17. On-line you can use http://keepvid.com/ Erm, but how do I run this clipgrab thing? Click on the 'Free Download' (I think you did

Re: Question regarding broken package dependencies

2012-11-02 Thread Sergio
On 11/02/2012 06:14 AM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: Should I report this somewhere? I am not using updates-testing. Error: Package: springframework-context-support-3.1.1-10.fc17.noarch (updates) Requires: freemarker = 2.3.19 Available: freemarker-2.3.13-14.fc17.noarch

Re: html/css display on fedora is different than from other os ( windows, ...)

2012-11-02 Thread mike lan
i give one example of a site made in drupal : drupalfr.org notice the fields login and password on the left side bar -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: html/css display on fedora is different than from other os ( windows, ...)

2012-11-02 Thread Steven Stern
On 10/21/2012 06:34 AM, mike lan wrote: Hello why is html/css display on fedora on firefox and google chrome alike is different than on other os ? some times the size of a font can break the display of a site which looks right on windows and not on fedora. is there a way to work around

Re: ImageMagick error message ???

2012-11-02 Thread Jim
On 11/02/2012 02:08 PM, Dale Dellutri wrote: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Jim binary...@comcast.net wrote: Fedora 17 / KDE 4.9 Having trouble converting density of a Image tom.jpg. This error message below , is it because a empty bob.jpg image is not there ? How do I fix this problem? $

Re: html/css display on fedora is different than from other os ( windows, ...)

2012-11-02 Thread Alan Cox
On Fri, 2 Nov 2012 20:03:36 + mike lan lan.mik...@gmail.com wrote: i give one example of a site made in drupal : drupalfr.org notice the fields login and password on the left side bar It will depend on the exact fonts you have on each system. You should size by font anyway because the

Re: KMail trash folder?

2012-11-02 Thread Alan Evans
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Tim wrote: I've not used kmail for years, but it occurs to me that if you have options to immediately delete mail, that it would be logical for the trash folder to be removed if you have such a setting set. So, you could look for such settings. If there is

Re: Anyone doing UPNP on Fedora ?

2012-11-02 Thread Steve
Your post of was very helpful. Do you know a way to input the multicast route using system-config-firewall ? I can do it manually, its just that would be the only manual firewall setting I'd have and then I'd forget I had it. Isn't there a way to tell a firewall to allow dynamic port

Re: html/css display on fedora is different than from other os ( windows, ...)

2012-11-02 Thread Roger
On 11/03/2012 07:07 AM, Steven Stern wrote: On 10/21/2012 06:34 AM, mike lan wrote: Hello why is html/css display on fedora on firefox and google chrome alike is different than on other os ? some times the size of a font can break the display of a site which looks right on windows and not on

Re: Anyone doing UPNP on Fedora ?

2012-11-02 Thread Konstantin Svist
On 11/02/2012 03:06 PM, Steve wrote: Your post of was very helpful. Glad to hear :) Do you know a way to input the multicast route using system-config-firewall ? I can do it manually, its just that would be the only manual firewall setting I'd have and then I'd forget I had it. No,

Re: Routing packets through specific interface

2012-11-02 Thread Alex
Hi, I have a host with an ethernet interface and an alias that I've created. I need packets to specifically be routed through the alias interface because that is the IP address the remote host is expecting. Should I do this using SNAT or otherwise with iptables? Does someone have an example

Converting Fedora Docs from Docbook HTML or PDF

2012-11-02 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
Everything in Fedora's documentation tree under /usr/share/doc/HTML is actually in Docbook format. What script or program can be used to convert this documentation info HTML or PDF? Thanks - jon -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

OT:Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Charles Zeitler
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Charles Zeitler cfzeit...@gmail.com wrote: So what you're saying is, it's not valid for me to assume that you're a member of homo sapiens? yes. given a set of assumptions, valid (

Re: Converting Fedora Docs from Docbook HTML or PDF

2012-11-02 Thread staticsafe
On 11/2/2012 20:06, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Everything in Fedora's documentation tree under /usr/share/doc/HTML is actually in Docbook format. What script or program can be used to convert this documentation info HTML or PDF? Thanks - jon See - http://wiki.docbook.org/DocBookTools (Under

Re: fedora jam spin update

2012-11-02 Thread Charles Zeitler
On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Ian Malone ibmal...@gmail.com wrote: An update progress on the Fedora Jam spin for music and audio creation: http://ibmalone.blogspot.com/2012/11/cooking-jam.html and thanks for the link to Guitar Noise! cfzeitler -- Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of

Re: OT:Re: Fedora 18, future isn't too good as it seems :-

2012-11-02 Thread Roger
Over and over again, what crap! Please take your futility off list. Thanks Roger ok, dude, what makes an assumption reasonable? unreasonable? cfzeitler -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Help! I can no longer boot F12

2012-11-02 Thread Dan Thurman
Apparently, my disk started failing and dropped some critical files. I tried to use LiveCD but I cannot do a linux rescue What I planned to do was to yum reinstall and try to recover what is missing. Does this make any sense? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: Help! I can no longer boot F12

2012-11-02 Thread Digimer
On 11/02/2012 10:24 PM, Dan Thurman wrote: Apparently, my disk started failing and dropped some critical files. I tried to use LiveCD but I cannot do a linux rescue What I planned to do was to yum reinstall and try to recover what is missing. Does this make any sense? Not really.

Re: Help! I can no longer boot F12

2012-11-02 Thread Dan Thurman
On 11/02/2012 07:24 PM, Dan Thurman wrote: Apparently, my disk started failing and dropped some critical files. I tried to use LiveCD but I cannot do a linux rescue What I planned to do was to yum reinstall and try to recover what is missing. Does this make any sense? Never mind, II

Re: Anyone doing UPNP on Fedora ?

2012-11-02 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 16:06 -0600, Steve wrote: Isn't there a way to tell a firewall to allow dynamic port allocation ? If you have a firewall with a UPNP option selectable in it, as some home modem/routers do, then that does the trick. Of course, allowing just anything through, and for it to

Re: Converting Fedora Docs from Docbook HTML or PDF

2012-11-02 Thread Tim
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Everything in Fedora's documentation tree under /usr/share/doc/HTML is actually in Docbook format. What script or program can be used to convert this documentation info HTML or PDF? Surely, the answer to that is: docbook Docbook is meant for writing in one format,

Re: html/css display on fedora is different than from other os ( windows, ...)

2012-11-02 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 20:03 +, mike lan wrote: i give one example of a site made in drupal : drupalfr.org notice the fields login and password on the left side bar What I notice is that the text fits in the field boxes, heightwise, at least, but the boxes extend past the border of the

Re: ImageMagick error message ???

2012-11-02 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2012-11-02 at 16:11 -0400, Jim wrote: I found out why the pictures won't open in Dolphin, The pictures are a HMTL Documents , not a JPG Image. Probably due to a HTTP 404 error, that's the usual cause for finding HTML when you expect an image. Someone's tried to download, or include an