Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread AP
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: I for one use GMail for my email needs, and I'm as far from an e-mail noob as you can get (started with Delphi on-line service in the late 1980s, then moved to FidoNet style echomail boards, then moved to CompuServe,

Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 5:53 AM, AP worldwithoutfen...@gmail.com wrote: And with one account, you have entire Google from Youtube to Plus etc..etc.. That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly annoying me to select which profile I use, after pestering me for months to

[389-users] setup-ds-admin.pl --update and multiple masters

2013-11-23 Thread Vesa Alho
Hi, I have the following setup: ldap1.example.com ldap2.example.com They are in Multiple Master configuration. After normal yum updates, I run setup-ds-admin.pl --update 1. What does this script actually do with --update parameter? Does it only update version numbers for Console? 2. How

Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread AP
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly annoying me to select which profile I use, after pestering me for months to get a Unified login, I said I don't want, (repeatedly) so now I have separate

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Andrew Haley
On 11/22/2013 09:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Nope, you're wrong. Find a copy of New Oxford American Dictionary and look up the words and usage. I seriously doubt even Oxford English makes such a big distinction between two words that share the same etymology and have no good reason for meaning

Re: Can't stand Gnome3, I think it's time for Fedora to move on

2013-11-23 Thread Ian Malone
On 23 November 2013 00:10, Sanne Grinovero sanne.grinov...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I'm absolutely in love with Gnome3. Best thing ever happened to UI. I'm generally desktop agnostic, because I usually don't care as long as the DE stays behind whatever it is I actually want to run. Compiz was the

Re: Can't stand Gnome3, I think it's time for Fedora to move on

2013-11-23 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2013-11-22 at 19:58 -0500, Rahul Sundaram wrote: The requirements for the installer is more than any desktop environment in Fedora making Fedora not really a good choice for lower end systems anyway. That is nuts. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send

Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread Tim
Tim: Going for the truly surreal analogy, were you? ;-) Chris Murphy: Not really. Surely, you couldn't have been anything but surreal... (With the driver's seat on the luggage rack or in the trunk.) -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my

Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread Fulko Hew
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 2:59 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: ... snip ... Of course this isn't optimal, there are some downsides: 1. Gurgle has been fiddling with the user interface too much (if it ain't broke don't fix it, they' ve heard of it...) 2. The new GMail compose is

OT- Getting Firefox GMail Old Compose (for a while) - Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Fulko Hew fulko@gmail.com wrote: Can you post some instructions ? (for getting GMail usable again after New Compose) Get UAControl from here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/uacontrol/ Once installed, Go to Tools-UAControl Options Click

Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Fulko Hew fulko@gmail.com wrote: Can you post some instructions ? Just posted it in a separate thread to stop hijacking this one. :) Cheers! FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act - George Orwell -- users

Re: OT- Getting Firefox GMail Old Compose (for a while) - Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread Fulko Hew
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Fulko Hew fulko@gmail.com wrote: Can you post some instructions ? (for getting GMail usable again after New Compose) ... snip ... That will give you Old Compose THANK YOU!

[389-users] nsds5replicaLastInitStatus: -2 Total update abortedSystem error

2013-11-23 Thread Graham Leggett
Hi all, I have two LDAP servers in a multimaster replication setup that has worked fine for a while. Recently it was reported to me that the two LDAP servers had somehow gone out of sync and refused to replicate. I am trying to fix this by triggering an initialisation from what I've chosen to

Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread g
On 11/22/2013 02:41 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: Pot meet kettle. by considering source, there is no pot or kettle. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

search engines [WAS: Why some say rpm hell]

2013-11-23 Thread g
On 11/23/2013 03:09 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: That's one thing I don't like, actually. Google is now constantly i used to use 'gaagle' until i found ixquick, which does not do all the tracking and such that gaagle does. i set a bookmark button in firefox 'menu bar' to open in

Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread g
On 11/22/2013 01:40 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: I think g was trying to make peace and you may have misunderstood his comments. this is true. Please, let's be polite to each other and not insulting. +1 on polite. as for finding his comments as impolite or insulting, i just consider

Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread g
On 11/23/2013 01:35 AM, AP wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 1:10 AM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: I think g was trying to make peace and you may have misunderstood his comments. Please, let's be polite to each other and not insulting. My intention was not to handle someone

Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread g
On 11/23/2013 01:59 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: GMail serves me (and I guess most other people) because: i have a gmail account for other purposes that i pull in emails from because some of them i want to reply to and save. also, i found that as only way to maintain threads. your postings

Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread AP
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 9:02 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: On 11/23/2013 01:59 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: your postings thread and i am wondering you would post a new Subject: relating to how you are using a gmail account and still maintain threading. No, not like that. Read the

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Les Howell
On Sat, 2013-11-23 at 01:26 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 09:54:39 +1300 Rolf Turner r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz wrote: Why can't computer geeks learn to write English correctly? http://xkcd.com/1238/ HTH, :-) Marko good one Marko, But if we all think about it,

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Nov 23, 2013, at 3:47 AM, Andrew Haley a...@redhat.com wrote: On 11/22/2013 09:44 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Nope, you're wrong. Find a copy of New Oxford American Dictionary and look up the words and usage. I seriously doubt even Oxford English makes such a big distinction between two

Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds

2013-11-23 Thread Clemens Eisserer
Hi, After a system update 2-3 weeks ago, applications like java and firefox began to take a quite long time to start up (an extra ~10s). However this only occurs when I am connected to a network, when my laptop is running unconnected everything is fine (however it doesn't matter wether I am

fedup 18-19 and GRUB upgrade several seconds

2013-11-23 Thread Dave Mitchell
I'm currently preparing to fedup an F18 system to F19, looking at these instructions: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/19/html/Installation_Guide/ch18s02.html The bit about updating the GRUB bootloader has got gotten me confused. My system is a newish x86_64 laptop, with F18 as the

Re: Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds

2013-11-23 Thread Edik Landaveri
Clemens, Have you find out this on a particular network? I.e. a business, job, etc. Some companies are mostly windows shops that run extra software like AV detector, compliance rules that add overhead while you open up a browser or turn it on. Safe Connect is an example of this. Have you try

Re: Why some say rpm hell

2013-11-23 Thread Beartooth
On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 17:01:24 +, Tethys wrote: On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Greg Woods wo...@ucar.edu wrote: []so rpm hell is largely a thing of the past. Sort of. RPM was a victim of its own success. Because Red Hat was the leading distribution, it was the one that attracted

Re: Dual boot Fedora -- Windows 8

2013-11-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Nov 22, 2013, at 5:13 PM, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote: Andre Costa wrote: Hi, I have the following partitions on a 1TB disk: * 1M BIOS boot partition * 500M Linux boot partition * 733G Linux LVM partition (Fedora 19) * 200G unused space I would like to install

Re: UEFI: After upgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 8.1, F19 grub menu does not appear

2013-11-23 Thread Chris Murphy
On Nov 23, 2013, at 12:49 AM, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like a good reason to contact HP and tell them to fix this, open an incident#. Maybe they need to fix their UEFI… Fix it how? What exactly in the spec is being violated by the current behavior? Before asking them

Re: Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds

2013-11-23 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Clemens Eisserer writes: Hi, After a system update 2-3 weeks ago, applications like java and firefox began to take a quite long time to start up (an extra ~10s). However this only occurs when I am connected to a network, when my laptop is running unconnected everything is fine (however it

accessing a network scanning device

2013-11-23 Thread lee
Hi, how would I go about accessing a scanning device that is connected via network? The device is an OKI MB441 and supports TWAIN and WSD (whatever that is ...). Google hasn't been helpful at all with this. Everyone seems to assume that you would connect the scanner to a computer through USB,

Gnome Clementine

2013-11-23 Thread antonio montagnani
When I start Clementine from inside Firefox (i.e. connecting to radio stream of www.liveireland.com, music starts but Clementine is not shown (playing in the background..so when I want to stop it I have to use System Monitor to kill)- But this happens in Gnome not in Mate for example. Is

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: On 11/23/13 10:17, inode0 wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Rolf Turner r.tur...@auckland.ac.nz wrote: Just read some stuff on this list about spins, a concept which had not previously impinged itself upon my consciousness. So

F18: Adobe Acrobat Reader fails hyperlinks?

2013-11-23 Thread Dan Thurman
It appears that on Fedora 18, Adobe Acrobat Reader hyperlinks (control-left-click on link) fails to execute properly and bring up the the web page. I tried the same PDF file on F13 and it works. Is it a bug or is there something I need to do to make this work? -- users mailing list

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Dan Thurman
On 11/22/2013 12:54 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: Psigh! What hope for humanity? :-) Well... what is `Psigh' in English please? :P -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Rolf Turner
On 11/24/13 09:52, Dan Thurman wrote: On 11/22/2013 12:54 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: Psigh! What hope for humanity? :-) Well... what is `Psigh' in English please? :P The p is silent; as in phthisis. Or as in swimming. :-) cheers, Rolf Turner -- users mailing list

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Rolf Turner
On 11/24/13 09:30, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: SNIP But wrong nevertheless. It conflates two quite distinct ideas, blurs the meaning and diminishes the language. Another English major heard from. Actually not true.

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Doug
On 11/23/2013 04:33 PM, Rolf Turner wrote: On 11/24/13 09:30, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: SNIP /snip/ cheers, Rolf Turner P. S. One should not aim at being possible to understand, but at being impossible to

Re: F18: Adobe Acrobat Reader fails hyperlinks?

2013-11-23 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 23.11.2013 21:41, Dan Thurman wrote: It appears that on Fedora 18, Adobe Acrobat Reader hyperlinks (control-left-click on link) fails to execute properly and bring up the the web page. I tried the same PDF file on F13 and it works. Is it a bug or is there something I need to do to

Re: Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds

2013-11-23 Thread Clemens Eisserer
Hi Sam, Actually, according to your stacktrace below, the DNS lookup is for user-pc.3.home. What happens when you execute I get the usual lag (~5s) and after this the following output: [ce@user-pc ~]$ dig user-pc.3.home a ; DiG 9.9.3-rl.13207.22-P2-RedHat-9.9.3-5.P2.fc19 user-pc.3.home a

Re: accessing a network scanning device

2013-11-23 Thread Mateusz Marzantowicz
On 23.11.2013 20:04, lee wrote: Hi, how would I go about accessing a scanning device that is connected via network? The device is an OKI MB441 and supports TWAIN and WSD (whatever that is ...). Google hasn't been helpful at all with this. Everyone seems to assume that you would connect

Re: Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds

2013-11-23 Thread Clemens Eisserer
Hi Richard, You appear to have given your machine a name that won't resolve via public dns (.home doesn't exist), and that you haven't added to the local machine lookups. I am confused. The home.3 domain is added by my 3g-to-wlan router for sure via dhcp. Could it be that dhclient was changed

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Bill Oliver
On Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Rolf Turner wrote: On 11/24/13 09:30, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: SNIP But wrong nevertheless. It conflates two quite distinct ideas, blurs the meaning and diminishes the language.

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Bill Oliver
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Bill Oliver wrote: On Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Rolf Turner wrote: On 11/24/13 09:30, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: SNIP But wrong nevertheless. It conflates two quite distinct ideas, blurs

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/23/2013 04:21 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: It's not that you are wrong about English usage. You are wrong about American usage. And we just don't care -- but we find it hilarious that someone would. What do you mean by we, redneck? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Bill Oliver
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/23/2013 04:21 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: It's not that you are wrong about English usage. You are wrong about American usage. And we just don't care -- but we find it hilarious that someone would. What do you mean by we, redneck? Why, people

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:33:41AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: On 11/24/13 09:30, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: SNIP But wrong nevertheless. It conflates two quite distinct ideas, blurs the meaning and diminishes the

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/23/2013 05:04 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: Why, people like me, of course. All the right thinking sort :-) Ah. I see. Not the type, then, that Ziva David insisted on calling redthroats. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Applications looking up the own computer name are blocked for several seconds

2013-11-23 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Clemens Eisserer writes: Hi Richard, You appear to have given your machine a name that won't resolve via public dns (.home doesn't exist), and that you haven't added to the local machine lookups. I am confused. The home.3 domain is added by my 3g-to-wlan router for sure via dhcp. Could it

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Bill Oliver
On Sat, 23 Nov 2013, Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/23/2013 05:04 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: Why, people like me, of course. All the right thinking sort :-) Ah. I see. Not the type, then, that Ziva David insisted on calling redthroats. Well, now that you mention it, and in all seriousness, I

Re: Writing English. Please explain how this is a Fedora topic? -No please don't!

2013-11-23 Thread Roger
Would the moderators please be kind enough to take this very tiresome off topic -off list- so that discussion about Fedora is not circumvented by trivia. Out of the thousands of lurkers and contributors, some of which are major corporations, gov't agencies, teachers, scientists, people

Re: Better way to upgrade fc18-fc19

2013-11-23 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 07:05:17PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: Is there a better way than fedup, and why is it so slow? The last few upgrades, I went by the yum method. Despite all the warnings on the wiki, this seems to be the smoothest of all upgrade methods I have tried since F10. Hope

Re: Writing English.

2013-11-23 Thread Doug
On 11/23/2013 07:21 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: On Sun, 24 Nov 2013, Rolf Turner wrote: On 11/24/13 09:30, Robert Holtzman wrote: On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 10:29:19AM +1300, Rolf Turner wrote: SNIP But wrong nevertheless. It conflates two quite distinct ideas, blurs