Re: removing plymouth

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 07:27:51 +0100 Balint Szigeti wrote: > On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 13:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: > > > Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth > > > packages? I know it handles the boot screen and the user > > > in

Re: removing plymouth

On 07/11/14 14:27, Balint Szigeti wrote: > On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 13:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: >> > Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I >> > know it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. >> > D

Re: removing plymouth

On Fri, 2014-07-11 at 13:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: > > Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I > > know it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. > > Does it mean, if I remove this package I can't

Re: removing plymouth

On 07/11/14 13:11, Balint Szigeti wrote: > Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know > it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. > Does it mean, if I remove this package I can't examine what happened during > the boot or I can not boot? Y

Re: NVRAM changes not persistent with efibootmgr

On 11/07/14 06:24, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jul 10, 2014, at 4:56 AM, "Williams, Gareth" wrote: My question therefore is: Does anaconda do something else after running 'efibootmgr' to make it permanent? Or: Why can anaconda update NVRAM using efibootmgr, while I can't? 'no bootable device' s

Re: NVRAM changes not persistent with efibootmgr

On Jul 10, 2014, at 4:56 AM, "Williams, Gareth" wrote: > My question therefore is: Does anaconda do something else after running > 'efibootmgr' to make it permanent? Or: Why can anaconda update NVRAM using > efibootmgr, while I can't? 'no bootable device' sounds suspiciously like a BIOS mess

removing plymouth

hello Can somebody tell me what would happen if I remove Plymouth packages? I know it handles the boot screen and the user interaction during boot. Does it mean, if I remove this package I can't examine what happened during the boot or I can not boot? Balint -- users mailing list users@lists.fed

Re: Question for Fedora users of Garmin nuvi GPS (SOLVED)

> Just as an added note: To get access to the usb devices with virtualbox the > user has to have the group vboxusers selected. Otherwise they don't get > access to usb devices. Hello, Everyone In the USB settings for my Windows 7 virtual machine, this item was unchecked: "Enable USB 2.0 (EHCI) Con

Re: F21 Cant login

On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 01:07:36 -0500 "Mike Chambers" wrote: > Just installed F21 via NFS, using KDE as my workstation. It booted > up to the login screen, but it won't login. Have tried both GUI and > terminal and neither will login, whether regular user or root. Since f21 is a prerelease you ma

F21 Cant login

Just installed F21 via NFS, using KDE as my workstation. It booted up to the login screen, but it won't login. Have tried both GUI and terminal and neither will login, whether regular user or root. Mike Chambers -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subsc

Re[2]: running instance on OpenStack Folsom release

Patrick, thank you, I'll try your idea-- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wik

Re: how to accurately test internet upload & download speed

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 09:34:28AM -0600, CS_DBA wrote: > > Is there a accurate way of truly testing what upload and download > > speeds i'm getting? > > I'm running Fedora 20 > > I've found http://www.speedtest.net/ to be pretty decent. B

Re: Fedora on StackExchange

On Jul 10, 2014 9:31 AM, "Rahul Sundaram" wrote >> http://askbot.org/en/question/12569/html-formatting-not-provided-in-rss-feed/?comment=12574#comment-12574 > > > Sure. There are a number of enhancements we need from askbot. If anyone is interested in Django/Python programming, your contribution

Re: how to accurately test internet upload & download speed

On 10.07.2014 17:38, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 09:34:28AM -0600, CS_DBA wrote: Is there a accurate way of truly testing what upload and download speeds i'm getting? I'm running Fedora 20 I've found http://www.speedtest.net/ to be pretty decent. But if you have a remote serv

Re: how to accurately test internet upload & download speed

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 09:34:28AM -0600, CS_DBA wrote: > Is there a accurate way of truly testing what upload and download > speeds i'm getting? > I'm running Fedora 20 I've found http://www.speedtest.net/ to be pretty decent. But if you have a remote server, you can do it yourself pretty easily

how to accurately test internet upload & download speed

All; Is there a accurate way of truly testing what upload and download speeds i'm getting? I'm running Fedora 20 Thanks in advance... -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fed

Re: why do we use systemd?

On Thu, 10 Jul 2014 09:05:03 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > Everyone! Please read > > > > I am not kidding. > > This morning, there are a dozen new messages all recycling around > points that have already been made hundred

Re: why do we use systemd?

On 10.07.2014 16:10, Balint Szigeti wrote: It looks like, a small group of the community makes decisions and the other people don't have choice. No alternatives :( The alternative is that someone talks the same thing about you, in a parallel universe. :) poma -- users mailing list user

Re: why do we use systemd?

On Thu, 2014-07-10 at 14:09 +0300, Veli-Pekka Kestilä wrote: > On 10.7.2014 13:30, Balint Szigeti wrote: > > > > > On Wed, 2014-07-09 at 13:35 +0200, lee wrote: > > > > > David Benfell writes: > > > > > > > I guess the two questions I'm reaching for are: > > > > > > > > 1) Is systemd conceptu

Re: why do we use systemd?

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:34 AM, lee wrote: > Rahul Sundaram writes: >> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:42 PM, lee wrote: >> >>> I made a bug report suggesting to fix their misunderstanding of what >>> "disabled" means. It would have been very easy to fix, but they >>> declined. >>> >>> Why should I mak

Re: Fedora on StackExchange

On Wed, Jul 09, 2014 at 08:46:09PM -0500, Carl Bennett wrote: > Just trying to get this to have more visibility: > http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/67392/fedora > I think it could definitely benefit Fedora users and enthusiasts as a > whole. It would be helpful to have a Q&A on Stack Excha

Re: why do we use systemd?

Everyone! Please read I am not kidding. This morning, there are a dozen new messages all recycling around points that have already been made hundreds of posts ago in this thread. Regardless of the merit of these points, thi

Re: Regex broken??

On 09.07.2014, Stephen Davies wrote: > 2. I hadn't noticed that all lines started with a space. Way back in 19-something (guess it was 1993) when I poked around with Powerbasic, I remember there was a function called trim(), which removed the whitespace on both ends of a string :-) -- users m

Re: why do we use systemd?

On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Tom H wrote: >> >> You might not need to use all of the systemd tools but its tools >> aren't independent. > > That is similar to how optional features are handled in many collections. > If you use some feature

Re: Question for Fedora users of Garmin nuvi GPS

On 07/09/2014 04:52 PM, DB wrote: > > I've got an old Garmin for the car & an eTrex for in my pocket, I > update them both from Open Street Maps. The devvices come up without > problem & the chosen maps are just copied to the SD card. I would be interested to know how to do that... I have an olde

Re: why do we use systemd?

On 10.7.2014 13:30, Balint Szigeti wrote: On Wed, 2014-07-09 at 13:35 +0200, lee wrote: David Benfell mailto:benf...@parts-unknown.org>> writes: > I guess the two questions I'm reaching for are: > > 1) Is systemd conceptually broken, just a really bad idea from the > start? Some people say yes

NVRAM changes not persistent with efibootmgr

After a frozen install while trying to make a dual-boot system I had to hard-reboot my laptop using the power button.   On restarting, I was greeted with a UEFI message telling me that there was no bootable device installed!  I quickly inserted a boot CD and managed to boot into my inst

Re: why do we use systemd?

On Wed, 2014-07-09 at 13:35 +0200, lee wrote: > David Benfell writes: > > > I guess the two questions I'm reaching for are: > > > > 1) Is systemd conceptually broken, just a really bad idea from the > > start? Some people say yes, and some of them argue well. > > So far, I've seen only argument

Re: Camera mounting

On 10 July 2014 09:49, lee wrote: > Ian Malone writes: > >>> On 10 July 2014 01:10, lee wrote: >> >>> You trust computers too much. >>> >> >> No, I'm pragmatic in what can be trusted. If key components of your >> system are compromised then what are you protecting and what are you >> protecting

RE: why do we use systemd?

-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Tom Horsley Sent: woensdag 9 juli 2014 18:24 To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: why do we use systemd? On Wed, 9 Jul 2014 11:57:26 -0400 Rahul Sundaram

Re: why do we use systemd?

Rahul Sundaram writes: > Hi > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:42 PM, lee wrote: > >> I made a bug report suggesting to fix their misunderstanding of what >> "disabled" means. It would have been very easy to fix, but they >> declined. >> >> Why should I make any further bug reports about systemd wh

Re: Camera mounting

Ian Malone writes: >> On 10 July 2014 01:10, lee wrote: > >> You trust computers too much. >> > > No, I'm pragmatic in what can be trusted. If key components of your > system are compromised then what are you protecting and what are you > protecting from? Misdirected paranoia is pointless. A co

Re: why do we use systemd?

Rahul Sundaram writes: > Hi > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 9:23 PM, lee wrote: > >> Then they should do it again. >> > > That is a Debian maintainers decision. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't do it again. >> That doesn't mean that users shouldn't get to vote. > > It just means voting isn't

Re: why do we use systemd?

Rahul Sundaram writes: > Hi > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:08 PM, lee wrote: > >> >> >> That is irrelevant. > > > How? Because disabled means disabled and not something like ondemand. >> I don't know what you don't understand --- >> "disabled" means disabled, i. e. cannot be started. > > > No.

Re: why do we use systemd?

On 07/10/14 16:03, Ian Malone wrote: > On 9 July 2014 14:15, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> Hi >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:19 AM, lee wrote: >>> The bug --- or call it misstatement if you like --- is with systemd in >>> that things can still be started even when they are disabled. >> >> Err. no.

Re: why do we use systemd?

On 9 July 2014 14:15, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 7:19 AM, lee wrote: >> >> The bug --- or call it misstatement if you like --- is with systemd in >> that things can still be started even when they are disabled. > > > Err. no. Before systemd, the equivalent of mask

Re: Camera mounting

On 10 July 2014 01:10, lee wrote: > Ian Malone writes: > >> On 8 July 2014 22:33, lee wrote: >>> Ian Malone writes: >>> By expecting users to mount attached devices with full-fat mount usage you open the potential for exploits. >>> >>> How would that happen? A file system is either m

Re: Execute acroread with Strace - Need help

On 10.07.2014 04:52, poma wrote: On 09.07.2014 22:28, Mickey wrote: F20 / KDE Trying to run acroread in AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm and it won't start. ... Duplicating a thread will get you nowhere. Perhaps you missed, in the original thread, one important fact provided by the software

Re: Camera mounting

Allegedly, on or about 10 July 2014, lee sent: > Neither the system, nor the user should mount something. Only root > should do that, knowing what they're doing. Bullshit! -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my