Re: is it the future?

2014-09-11 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/12/2014 04:13 AM, Bill Oliver wrote: And I'm not saying that it's all bad -- open source systems go the way developers want it to go, I'd consider this to be an urban legend, which may have applied in the past. These days open source systems big business and go the way, the companies beh

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-11 Thread Bill Oliver
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014, Mike Wright wrote: I've been holding my nose and keeping my mouth shut for the last couple of years but I have to concur. Time was, a signature with `uptime` showing many hundreds of days, if not multiple years, was a badge of honor. Now people cavalierly toss out, ".

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-11 Thread Mike Wright
09/11/2014 05:04 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 17:33 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled against systemd. Th

Re: em1 down in nm, yet it has an IPv6 address

2014-09-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 09/12/14 08:26, Dan Irwin wrote: > Dan Williams replied over on the NetworkManager list. He suggested rebuilding > and installing NetworkManager from F21. > > This seems to work fine. No v6 addresses or routes for em1. Yep Just tested it on an F21 AlphaTC6 system and it works fine there.

Re: em1 down in nm, yet it has an IPv6 address

2014-09-11 Thread Dan Irwin
Dan Williams replied over on the NetworkManager list. He suggested rebuilding and installing NetworkManager from F21. This seems to work fine. No v6 addresses or routes for em1. On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 5:05 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 09/11/14 14:37, Dan Irwin wrote: > > There are other fixes, l

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-11 Thread Bill Oliver
On Fri, 12 Sep 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 17:33 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled against systemd. The correct way to do this ... With all d

Re: Thunderbird 24.8 and 31 never reached Fedora?

2014-09-11 Thread Steven Rosenberg
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 4:41 PM, Joonas wrote: > Hi, > > did these Thunderbird versions really never reach Fedora repos? > 31.0 > 24.8 > > or am I overlooking something? > I have Thunderbird 31.1.0 in Fedora 20. I think the update came through yesterday. -- Steven Rosenberg http://stevenrosenberg

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 17:33 -0500, Dave Ihnat wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled > > against systemd. The correct way to do this ... > > With all due respect, this isn't a matter of filin

Thunderbird 24.8 and 31 never reached Fedora?

2014-09-11 Thread Joonas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, did these Thunderbird versions really never reach Fedora repos? 31.0 24.8 or am I overlooking something? I concluded that after having a look at: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/thunderbird http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/pa

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-11 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:33:47 -0500 Dave Ihnat wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled > > against systemd. The correct way to do this ... > > With all due respect, this isn't a matter of fil

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-11 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 04:30:11PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > There are plenty of complaints that can be *legitimately* leveled > against systemd. The correct way to do this ... With all due respect, this isn't a matter of filing bug reports. I've been working on Unix since around 1980; I

Re: Smart Media Player Network Access in Fedora 20

2014-09-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-09-12 at 07:15 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: > > Also, I suspect you may be labouring under a misconception: you > don't > > stream media to your remote device, the device streams media *from* > the > > server (using the DLNA protocol). You don't have to tell the server > what > > the d

Re: Smart Media Player Network Access in Fedora 20

2014-09-11 Thread Stephen Morris
On 09/10/2014 07:44 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2014-09-10 at 06:56 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: Thankyou for your responses. I probably need some more assistance on these. I have minidlna installed already but haven't been able to figure out how to use it. I have al

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-11 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/09/2014 11:34 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > On Tue, 9 Sep 2014 11:18:06 -0400 Kelly Miller > wrote: > >> Yeah, they did... and refuted every single point made there, >> multiple times. > > Can you point out a place where those refutes can b

Re: case study - journalctl - where is logger output

2014-09-11 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Balint Szigeti wrote: > today I installed the rsyslog and enable it then disabled (then masked) > systemd-journal-flush, systemd-journald services. Plus I disabled > systemd-journald.socket as well. > It broke my system. After I closed the sudo session I could ga

Re: is it the future?

2014-09-11 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 10.09.2014, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: > Can you point out a place where those refutes can be found? I want to see > how one goes about refuting an objective statement. Yes, that would be interesting. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscriptio

Re: case study - journalctl - where is logger output

2014-09-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
okay, I figured it out. If the journalctl doesn't run neither rsyslog nor journalctl (last one is obvious) don't get anything. after I started the journalctl the logger output appeared in journalclt and tail /var/log/messages output. Balint On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 19:04 +0100, Balint Szigeti wrote

Re: weather server

2014-09-11 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/11/2014 05:45 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Hello, > > For now 2 days, my connection to the weather server seems not > working. How can I manage it? > > Thank > > === > > Pa

case study - journalctl - where is logger output

2014-09-11 Thread Balint Szigeti
hello today I installed the rsyslog and enable it then disabled (then masked) systemd-journal-flush, systemd-journald services. Plus I disabled systemd-journald.socket as well. It broke my system. After I closed the sudo session I could gain root access plus I couldn't start any program only forks

Re: cups

2014-09-11 Thread Patrick Dupre
I tried to submit the bug but after I submit it, nothing happen. Hence, either I did not submitted it or, I submitted multiple times! === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire d

Re: Printer Idle - waiting for job to complete

2014-09-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 13:29:09 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > Is it a problem with the printer? I tend to suspect this, since I found this stuff in the /etc/cups/printers.conf entry: State Idle StateTime 1410444527 Reason cups-ipp-conformance-failure-report Reason cups-ipp-missing-job-history -- user

Re: switchdesk

2014-09-11 Thread jd1008
On 09/10/2014 11:10 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 09/11/14 12:02, jd1008 wrote: Seems like switchdesk only provides ability to switch to kde icewm system defaults whereas I have other desktop managers installed, like lxde, fvwm. I looked to see of the selection menu might be controlled by a config

Re: cups

2014-09-11 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 17:12 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: > {'test_page_attempted': '11/Sep/2014:17:09:07 +', [...] > {'error_log_debug_logging_unset': True, 'journal': []} It hasn't fetched the error_log file unfortunately, but I think that's a CUPS bug (STR #4461), fixed in the latest test upd

Re: switchdesk

2014-09-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 09/11/14 23:13, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Michael Hennebrywrote: > > Selecting a desktop is not hard. > Remembering to do it every time is hard. > Logging out and logging in again can be annoying. > Being able to set one's default desktop is

Re: switchdesk

2014-09-11 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Thu, Sep 11, 2014 at 11:09 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > Selecting a desktop is not hard. > Remembering to do it every time is hard. > Logging out and logging in again can be annoying. > Being able to set one's default desktop is useful. Display manager should remember the last login. I

Re: cups

2014-09-11 Thread Patrick Dupre
Sorry for the mistake, New test: Page 1 (Scheduler not running?): {'cups_connection_failure': False} Page 2 (Is local server publishing?): {'local_server_exporting_printers': False} Page 3 (Choose printer): {'cups_dest': , 'cups_instance': None, 'cups_queue': u'HP_LaserJet_P1005', 'cups_queue_

Re: switchdesk

2014-09-11 Thread Michael Hennebry
Selecting a desktop is not hard. Remembering to do it every time is hard. Logging out and logging in again can be annoying. Being able to set one's default desktop is useful. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "SCSI is NOT magic. There are *fundamental technical reasons* why it is necess

Re: cups

2014-09-11 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 13:17 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: > > Is it all working now? > > No, it still does not work!!! Why did you answer 'Yes' when the dialog asked you if the test print worked? Answer 'No', and it will include the debugging logs. Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a

Fedora 20 ps -ef stack overflow

2014-09-11 Thread Ger van Dijck
Hello, Fedora 20 , please study the attached "ps -ef" named foutenlijst and be so kind to inform me if this severe error is a bug. The problem did occur since hte last 6 or 7 Kernel updates. Greetings, Ger van Dijck. UIDPID PPID C STIME TTY TIME CMD root 1 0

Re: switchdesk

2014-09-11 Thread Bill Oliver
I thought it was for systems where you had automatic logins. I've never set up my boxes that way, so I've never watched it happen. But if you really had a machine that would go from poweron to desktop without stopping for a login, you might not get the chance to change desktops the normal wa

Re: switchdesk

2014-09-11 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 11 September 2014, Ed Greshko sent: > Is there something more that switchdesk provides? Didn't it change the *default* offered to all users? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is

Re: cups

2014-09-11 Thread Patrick Dupre
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Re: cups

2014-09-11 Thread Tim Waugh
On Thu, 2014-09-11 at 10:55 +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: > Page 11 (Print test page): > {'test_page_attempted': '11/Sep/2014:10:37:41 +', > 'test_page_job_id': [151], > 'test_page_job_status': [(True, >151, >'HP_LaserJet_P1005', >

weather server

2014-09-11 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, For now 2 days, my connection to the weather server seems not working. How can I manage it? Thank === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu...@gmx.com Laboratoire de Physico-Chimie de l'Atmosp

Re: cups

2014-09-11 Thread Patrick Dupre
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Re: cups

2014-09-11 Thread Patrick Dupre
Yes, This is the result: Sorry! there is no obvious solution to this problem... Page 1 (Scheduler not running?): {'cups_connection_failure': False} Page 2 (Is local server publishing?): {'local_server_exporting_printers': False} Page 3 (Choose printer): {'cups_dest': , 'cups_instance': None,

Re: cups

2014-09-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/11/2014 01:31 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: Yes, same thing OK, it's not an issue with lpr, then. Have you tried going into Manage Printers and having it print a test page? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedor

Re: cups

2014-09-11 Thread Patrick Dupre
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Re: cups

2014-09-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/11/2014 12:54 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote: lpr -P HP_LaserJet_P1005 .bashrc does no print any thing but I got the following displays: I have a similar issue: if I open a .pdf and try to print it, cups tells me it's been printed but nothing happens. After experimenting, I found that the Xpd

Re: cups

2014-09-11 Thread Patrick Dupre
Thank lpstat -p -d printer Cups-PDF is idle. enabled since Thu 17 Jul 2014 10:37:55 AM CEST printer HP_LaserJet_P1005 is idle. enabled since Wed 10 Sep 2014 07:53:55 PM CEST system default destination: HP_LaserJet_P1005 lpr -P HP_LaserJet_P1005 .bashrc does no print any thing but I got the fol

Re: em1 down in nm, yet it has an IPv6 address

2014-09-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 09/11/14 14:37, Dan Irwin wrote: > There are other fixes, like disconnecting the gige connection to my laptop > docking station. Or maybe turn wifi off and use only the gige. But If i use > the laptop away from my desk and come back, the problem will bite once more. > > Something else i find d