On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 10:49 -0400, sean darcy wrote:
> My new laptop has Windows 10 installed with the Intel
> rapid Storage Technology (optane) system chip. Windows is on an
> nvme
> drive.
>
> FC31 is on a SATA ssd.
>
> BIOS allows me to choose AHCI or RST. I must use AHCI to boot the
> FC31
On 08May2020 20:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/8/20 4:32 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 08May2020 11:15, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I added inserting a Date: line and switched to using sed:
local]# cat mycron
#!/bin/sh
currentDate="$(date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')"
You don't need the double quotes. The
On 5/8/20 8:59 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
I have used ext4 for /boot for 20+ years on Fedora, and can't say that I
ever had this happen. And I always reboot after installing updates.
I've never had this happen over all the very many computers I've worked
with.
Long term the solution is to m
On 2020-05-09 11:59, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> I would be very much surprised if a regular reboot does not unmount /boot,
> prior to rebooting. I would think that all mounted filesystems except / will
> get explicitly unmounted just before a halt or a reboot.
You mean like this output from a reb
Roger Heflin writes:
What you are saying does not exactly match what I have previously
seen, but there is a known feature with using a journaling filesystem
(ext4-journal, or xfs) for /boot, if only the journal is updated and
if it is not yet replayed into the non-journal then grub will not be
On 5/8/20 4:32 PM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 08May2020 11:15, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I added inserting a Date: line and switched to using sed:
local]# cat mycron
#!/bin/sh
currentDate="$(date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')"
You don't need the double quotes. The shell parser recognises the
assignment
Did you do a lazy unmount? Any other umount will fail if there are
open files, and lazy does not actually unmount it until whatever has
the files open closes them, which generally means it never gets
unmounted.
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 5:53 PM John Mellor wrote:
>
> I like the idea of just removi
On 08May2020 11:15, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I added inserting a Date: line and switched to using sed:
local]# cat mycron
#!/bin/sh
currentDate="$(date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')"
You don't need the double quotes. The shell parser recognises the
assignment statement _before_ breaking things on white
On 08May2020 06:59, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 5/8/20 2:24 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 5/7/20 10:44 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote:
In my mail files each message is followed by a blank line
before the next "From_" line. Is that a requirement of
mbox format? If so, it may be necessary to add it to
On 08May2020 06:56, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 5/8/20 2:08 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
You _do_ need to ensure the message at least ends with a newline, of
the From_ won't be at the start of a line. So the previously posted
script ensures that with the "echo" in "( cat; echo )". If you want to
I like the idea of just removing the journal tag, but I don't think that
I can modify the /boot filesystem. Doing a umount works, but tune2fs
claims that an e2fsck is required. Running e2fsck says that the
filesystem is still mounted, even though it is not. Doing a fuser
/dev/sda1 shows a la
I am having a problem with Fedora 32.. When my screen blanks off.
When I come back to the computer the screen will flash on for a sec and
then go black again. But the power light is still green...
And the only way I can get a picture back is to turn the monitor off
and hold a key down on the k
On 5/7/20 7:49 AM, sean darcy wrote:
1. Is there a way to get the FC31 drive to boot with RST ?
No. RST is unsafe by design, and the kernel developers won't support it.
* No NVMe device power management
* No NVMe reset support
* No NVMe quirks based on PCI ID
* No SR-IOV VFs
* Reduced p
On 5/7/20 7:49 AM, sean darcy wrote:
My new laptop has Windows 10 installed with the Intel
rapid Storage Technology (optane) system chip. Windows is on an nvme
drive.
FC31 is on a SATA ssd.
I thought RST was where it used a small SSD as caching for a regular
spinning hard drive. The few t
On 5/8/20 6:45 AM, Beartooth wrote:
On Thu, 07 May 2020 13:44:11 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/7/20 1:41 PM, Beartooth wrote:
I'm pretty sure the Fedora machine I want to use to put something
onto a thumb drive doesn't have the thumb drive software installed to
do so. But I've searche
On 5/8/20 1:43 PM, Beartooth wrote:
I've just tried to upgrade another (and much more important)
machine -- and hit the mate-panel 686 snag again:
Error: Transaction test error:
file /usr/share/mate-panel/applets/org.mate.panel.ClockApplet.mate-
panel-applet conflicts between attempt
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 18:41 +, Beartooth wrote:
> I like trying out browsers, but I remember dependency hell too
> strongly to risk it again.
>
> I have installed Opera (which I've run and liked since before
> Fedora) and Vivaldi which I liked the sound of; and both of them (onc
I've just tried to upgrade another (and much more important)
machine -- and hit the mate-panel 686 snag again:
Error: Transaction test error:
file /usr/share/mate-panel/applets/org.mate.panel.ClockApplet.mate-
panel-applet conflicts between attempted installs of mate-
panel-1.24.0-4.fc
On 5/8/20 4:26 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/8/20 12:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 05/08/2020 12:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I learned to call that the system key. But ok. And by itself in
Xfce, it does not enable dragging of a dialog box.
You might need to check the Xfce forum at
http://
On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 04:23:43PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 08:16:48PM -, Beartooth wrote:
> > On Thu, 07 May 2020 16:46:49 -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> >
> > > On May 7, 2020, at 16:42, Beartooth wrote:
> > >>I'm pretty sure the Fedora machine I want
On 5/8/20 12:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 05/08/2020 12:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I learned to call that the system key. But ok. And by itself in
Xfce, it does not enable dragging of a dialog box.
You might need to check the Xfce forum at
http://forum.xfce.org/index.php for help.
That
On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 08:16:48PM -, Beartooth wrote:
> On Thu, 07 May 2020 16:46:49 -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
>
> > On May 7, 2020, at 16:42, Beartooth wrote:
> >>I'm pretty sure the Fedora machine I want to use to put something
> >> onto a thumb drive doesn't have the thumb drive
On Thu, 07 May 2020 16:46:49 -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On May 7, 2020, at 16:42, Beartooth wrote:
>>I'm pretty sure the Fedora machine I want to use to put something
>> onto a thumb drive doesn't have the thumb drive software installed to
>> do so. But I've searched dnfdragora up one
You have to hit the timing right. ie install the kernel package and
as quickly as possible reboot (automated, or very efficient).
And if the update is more than just kernel, that may slowdown the
process enough that the immediate reboot won't be quick enough.
I have seen it 3-5 times and that is
On 5/7/20 10:49 AM, sean darcy wrote:
My new laptop has Windows 10 installed with the Intel
rapid Storage Technology (optane) system chip. Windows is on an nvme
drive.
FC31 is on a SATA ssd.
BIOS allows me to choose AHCI or RST. I must use AHCI to boot the FC31
drive, and RST to boot the Wi
On 05/08/2020 01:11 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I am on the Xfce mailing list...
In fact it was going back to my history there that I found how I did
this LAST time I had a too tall dialog box.
OK. I've found over the past few years that most people asking for help
with Xfce don't know abo
On 5/8/20 3:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 05/08/2020 12:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I learned to call that the system key. But ok. And by itself in
Xfce, it does not enable dragging of a dialog box.
You might need to check the Xfce forum at
http://forum.xfce.org/index.php for help.
I a
On 05/08/2020 12:05 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I learned to call that the system key. But ok. And by itself in Xfce,
it does not enable dragging of a dialog box.
You might need to check the Xfce forum at
http://forum.xfce.org/index.php for help.
__
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 12:12 PM Roger Heflin wrote:
>
> A sync will flush the writes to the journal were the data is safe. It
> will not force a replay of the journal.
>
> Nothing except removing the journal from the ext4 filesystem will fix it.
>
> This is not a fedora bug, this is a long standi
I like trying out browsers, but I remember dependency hell too
strongly to risk it again.
I have installed Opera (which I've run and liked since before
Fedora) and Vivaldi which I liked the sound of; and both of them (once
you find the rpm versions) have repos that Fedora/dnf
On 5/8/20 11:08 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 5/8/20 1:58 PM, Mike Wright wrote:
There's a tiny MDA called femtomail that delivers into a Maildir.
Well first I need mbox, not maildir format.
mutt can read Maildir as well. Maildir is a much better mail storage
method than mbox.
Provide i
On 5/8/20 2:01 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/8/20 10:58 AM, Mike Wright wrote:
On 5/8/20 9:55 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 5/8/20 12:39 PM, Tim via users wrote:
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 06:56 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Plus I have always thought of this as a deficiency in cron on a
works
On 5/8/20 1:58 PM, Mike Wright wrote:
On 5/8/20 9:55 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 5/8/20 12:39 PM, Tim via users wrote:
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 06:56 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Plus I have always thought of this as a deficiency in cron on a
workstation. Cron should work (report in thi
On 5/8/20 1:57 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/8/20 10:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 5/8/20 1:33 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/8/20 6:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The workaround for me is the and then move the
dialog with the mouse.
For Gnome and possibly other desktops, it's the LOGO k
On 5/8/20 10:58 AM, Mike Wright wrote:
On 5/8/20 9:55 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 5/8/20 12:39 PM, Tim via users wrote:
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 06:56 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Plus I have always thought of this as a deficiency in cron on a
workstation. Cron should work (report in this
On 5/8/20 9:55 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 5/8/20 12:39 PM, Tim via users wrote:
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 06:56 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Plus I have always thought of this as a deficiency in cron on a
workstation. Cron should work (report in this case) properly
without needing somethin
On 5/8/20 10:38 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
On 5/8/20 1:33 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/8/20 6:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The workaround for me is the and then move the
dialog with the mouse.
For Gnome and possibly other desktops, it's the LOGO key and drag.
What is the LOGO key?
Th
On 5/8/20 1:33 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 5/8/20 6:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The workaround for me is the and then move the
dialog with the mouse.
For Gnome and possibly other desktops, it's the LOGO key and drag.
What is the LOGO key?
___
On 5/8/20 6:32 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
The workaround for me is the and then move the dialog
with the mouse.
For Gnome and possibly other desktops, it's the LOGO key and drag.
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Tim wrote:
> Take it to a garage and give it an indirect blast of air
Well, as long as the miracle cure lasts, i will try not to stirr up
anything in the BD drive.
But i applied to the worn-off DVD drive a few blows from a borrowed
can of keyboard duster (half a pound of butane, ewww). Regr
On 5/8/20 12:39 PM, Tim via users wrote:
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 06:56 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Plus I have always thought of this as a deficiency in cron on a
workstation. Cron should work (report in this case) properly
without needing something else (MTA) installed.
Does it though? Th
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 13:45 +, Beartooth wrote:
> On Thu, 07 May 2020 13:44:11 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
>
> > On 5/7/20 1:41 PM, Beartooth wrote:
> > > I'm pretty sure the Fedora machine I want to use to put something
> > > onto a thumb drive doesn't have the thumb drive software installed
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 06:56 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Plus I have always thought of this as a deficiency in cron on a
> workstation. Cron should work (report in this case) properly
> without needing something else (MTA) installed.
Does it though? There's always /var/log/cron. Or that ot
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 17:53 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> My best guess is that some lint had settled on the blue beam lense.
> (My best hope is that the lint isn't still roaming in the drive.)
Brute force and ignorance approach: Take it to a garage and give it an
indirect blast of air (from a d
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 08:23 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> This is a little more challenging when you don't have a mailer.
If you don't want to run a mail server, you could do a different
approach: Have a watchdog program monitor a /var/log/your-log-file and
act upon it.
--
uname -rsvp
Lin
A sync will flush the writes to the journal were the data is safe. It
will not force a replay of the journal.
Nothing except removing the journal from the ext4 filesystem will fix it.
This is not a fedora bug, this is a long standing
kernel/grub/filesystem interaction bug (all who use a journale
Hi,
Steve Berg wrote:
> Get this with either one of my data BD-R's or a commercial bluray movie
> disk, Blade Runner in this case:
> libburn : SORRY : Asynchronous SCSI error on waiting after START UNIT (+
> LOAD): [2 06 00] Drive not ready. No reference position found.
The drive does not like th
Interesting! This machine does reboot in about 5secs and the other
machines take longer, so it makes sense. My /boot is mounted just like
/home and / as follows:
/dev/sda1 on /boot type ext4 (rw,relatime,seclabel)
I assume that a symple sync would flush the journal. Its pretty easy to
d
On Fri, 08 May 2020 10:26:05 -0400 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 5/8/20 10:18 AM, francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote:
>> By using 'systemctl restart' you invoked the later that do not use
>> /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf ...
> Ooops.
> So to get things back to how they were:
> systemctl stop lo
On 5/8/20 10:11 AM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
Hi,
Steve Berg wrote:
I've got some data saved to blu-ray BD-R disks that won't read.
[...] I'm positive it's a BluRay drive [...]
Anyone have any idea what could cause this?
You should try to find out whether it is a problem of medium and drive
or of
On 5/8/20 10:03 AM, Jon LaBadie wrote:
On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 11:24:41PM -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 5/7/20 10:44 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote:
In my mail files each message is followed by a blank line
before the next "From_" line. Is that a requirement of
mbox format? If so, it may be necess
Hi,
Steve Berg wrote:
> I've got some data saved to blu-ray BD-R disks that won't read.
> [...] I'm positive it's a BluRay drive [...]
> Anyone have any idea what could cause this?
You should try to find out whether it is a problem of medium and drive
or of the potentially present filesystem.
In
What you are saying does not exactly match what I have previously
seen, but there is a known feature with using a journaling filesystem
(ext4-journal, or xfs) for /boot, if only the journal is updated and
if it is not yet replayed into the non-journal then grub will not be
able to find the new fil
ARGH
I blame my dyslexia. :)'
really! I am Mr. Malaprop; my wife has had to put up with it for 40+
years...
On 5/8/20 10:49 AM, John Pilkington wrote:
On 07/05/2020 22:34, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Perhaps I did not fully shut it down when I installed the purple rpms.
Anyway working.
On 07/05/2020 22:34, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
Perhaps I did not fully shut it down when I installed the purple rpms.
Anyway working. thanks for the help, and I updated my notes for next year!
Just a comment, intended to be helpful:
All your posts in this thread have been about 'pigdin'. I t
On 5/8/20 9:21 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 8 May 2020 09:10:22 -0500
Steve Berg wrote:
Anyone have
any idea what could cause this?
Linux shouldn't need any extra software to read a BD-R data
disk, so the drive dying or the disk dying over time are
the most likely issues.
I've tried 5 or 6
On 5/8/20 10:18 AM, francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote:
Hi.
On Fri, 08 May 2020 09:51:13 -0400 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
May 8 03:27:17 lx140e run-parts[66530]: (/etc/cron.daily) finished 0logwatch
So it looks like I need to modify /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf with
mailer = "/usr/local/mycro
On Fri, 8 May 2020 09:10:22 -0500
Steve Berg wrote:
> Anyone have
> any idea what could cause this?
Linux shouldn't need any extra software to read a BD-R data
disk, so the drive dying or the disk dying over time are
the most likely issues.
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Hi.
On Fri, 08 May 2020 09:51:13 -0400 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> May 8 03:27:17 lx140e run-parts[66530]: (/etc/cron.daily) finished 0logwatch
>> So it looks like I need to modify /etc/logwatch/conf/logwatch.conf with
>> mailer = "/usr/local/mycron"
>> And see what happens next.
> # cat /etc/
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 9:11 AM Steve Berg wrote:
> I've got some data saved to blu-ray BD-R disks that won't read. Loading
> a video DVD works, the system mounts it and I can see the files. But
> when I pop in one of these BD-R disks nothing, the system doesn't see
> the media at all. I'm posit
I've got some data saved to blu-ray BD-R disks that won't read. Loading
a video DVD works, the system mounts it and I can see the files. But
when I pop in one of these BD-R disks nothing, the system doesn't see
the media at all. I'm positive it's a BluRay drive, pretty sure it's
the same driv
On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 11:24:41PM -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote:
> On 5/7/20 10:44 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote:
> > In my mail files each message is followed by a blank line
> > before the next "From_" line. Is that a requirement of
> > mbox format? If so, it may be necessary to add it to
> > the cronta
On 5/8/20 8:23 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
This is a little more challenging when you don't have a mailer. I see
it ran:
May 8 03:01:02 lx140e anacron[66134]: Anacron started on 2020-05-08
May 8 03:01:02 lx140e anacron[66134]: Will run job `cron.daily' in 26
min.
May 8 03:01:02 lx140e a
I have one completely stock workstation F32 machine where kernel updates
almost always cause a multiple-reboot panic problem. This problem also
occurred on F31, but not on releases before that. I'm stumped and need
some help in figuring it out.
The symptoms vary in the number of reboots and t
On Thu, 07 May 2020 13:44:11 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 5/7/20 1:41 PM, Beartooth wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure the Fedora machine I want to use to put something
>> onto a thumb drive doesn't have the thumb drive software installed to
>> do so. But I've searched dnfdragora up one side and dow
Thanks for the pointer.
The workaround for me is the and then move the dialog
with the mouse.
On 5/8/20 8:58 AM, Ted Roche wrote:
Robert:
It appears to be this bug:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128495
There are patches in the pipeline for LibreOffice 6.4.x or 6.5.x
Robert:
It appears to be this bug:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=128495
There are patches in the pipeline for LibreOffice 6.4.x or 6.5.x and some
suggested workarounds, depending on your configuration.
On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 9:57 PM Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> Found that if
This is a little more challenging when you don't have a mailer. I see
it ran:
May 8 03:01:02 lx140e anacron[66134]: Anacron started on 2020-05-08
May 8 03:01:02 lx140e anacron[66134]: Will run job `cron.daily' in 26 min.
May 8 03:01:02 lx140e anacron[66134]: Jobs will be executed sequentiall
On 5/8/20 6:04 AM, Tim via users wrote:
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 01:44 -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote:
In my mail files each message is followed by a blank line
before the next "From_" line. Is that a requirement of
mbox format? If so, it may be necessary to add it to
the crontab output.
It's how mb
Hi.
On Fri, 08 May 2020 06:56:58 -0400 Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> On 5/8/20 2:08 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>> You _do_ need to ensure the message at least ends with a newline, of
>> the From_ won't be at the start of a line. So the previously posted
>> script ensures that with the "echo" in "(
On 5/8/20 2:24 AM, Gordon Messmer wrote:
On 5/7/20 10:44 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote:
In my mail files each message is followed by a blank line
before the next "From_" line. Is that a requirement of
mbox format? If so, it may be necessary to add it to
the crontab output.
Yes, it's a requirement
On 5/8/20 2:08 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 08May2020 01:44, Jon LaBadie wrote:
On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 09:57:33AM +1000, Cameron Simpson wrote:
On 07May2020 15:01, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> /ustr/sbin/mycron:
> #!/bin/sh
>
> currentDate="$(date +'%a %b %d %T %Y')"
> echo "From cron@localh
On 5/8/20 1:16 AM, Tim via users wrote:
On Thu, 2020-05-07 at 09:09 -0500, Roger Heflin wrote:
In general if you set up the cronjobs to redirect stdout and stderr
to a file then typically there is nothing to email.
Just thinking out loud: If your scripts generate their own logs, you
see the
On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 22:54, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> F30 with Xfce
>
> Screen size 1280 x 768
>
> The dialog goes from just below the top panel to below the bottom of the
> screen so the print button is lost.
>
> I cannot resize this dialog. It is locked. I cannot get it to move up
> the scre
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 00:23 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> It's a standard, but I don't think NetworkManager will switch to it
> automatically. However, there is an option in the network settings
> to pick "link-local" which is that.
As far as I recall, if you boot up an unconfigured / default
conf
On Fri, 2020-05-08 at 01:44 -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote:
> In my mail files each message is followed by a blank line
> before the next "From_" line. Is that a requirement of
> mbox format? If so, it may be necessary to add it to
> the crontab output.
It's how mbox works, each email is concatenated
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:12 AM Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Is there a way with firewall-cmd to /really/ block an IP address, new or
> established connections, or is manually adding an iptables rule my only
> option?
You can bypass connection tracking for dropping existing connections
by adding a ru
On 5/8/20 12:04 AM, John M. Harris Jr wrote:
On Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:27:29 PM MST Tim via users wrote:
In the absense of DHCP, there's autoconfig, where each device randomly
picks an IP out of the link-local 169.254.0.0 to 169.254.255.255 range
of addresses, checks to see if it's not already
On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 8:52 PM Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 5/7/20 9:08 AM, Tom H wrote:
>> On Thu, May 7, 2020 Tom Horsley wrote:
>>> On Wed, 06 May 2020 John M. Harris Jr wrote:
This solved it, thank you!
>>>
>>> If that solved it, you may not actually be using NetworkManager.
>>> I have no f
On Thursday, May 7, 2020 10:27:29 PM MST Tim via users wrote:
> Tim:
>
> >> When you're installing a system, Anaconda gives you the chance to
> >> manually configure some network details *for* the installation
> >> routine to use during installation. These settings are temporary,
> >> they don't
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