Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

Kevin Fenzi writes: > We don't currently have any ARC setup. Well, I can't promise it will have great effect, although I know from the design and implementation discussions that Google takes it seriously, and Microsoft implements it. So it's just a suggestion for "your copious free time". >

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On 11/1/22 5:30 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > We don't currently have any ARC setup. > > When / if we can get the list processor upgraded, I think newer versions > of mailman3 have native ARC support, and we could look at enabling that. > I think so, yeah. 100% worth looking at when/if upgraded.

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 03:50:07PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Kevin Fenzi writes: > > > I can't force the list to do this. Your domain would need to enable > > DMARC and set reject or quarantine > > Pretty sure it's not "his" domain. I believe GMX is a major internet > provider (and

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 04:42:14PM -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 12:18:43AM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: Kevin, Thanks for your quick response! [ ... ] I have already tried this, so I guess let me know when/if you get the bounce. ;) (ie, I have unsubscribed the user

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

Kevin Fenzi writes: > I can't force the list to do this. Your domain would need to enable > DMARC and set reject or quarantine Pretty sure it's not "his" domain. I believe GMX is a major internet provider (and email provider) in Germany, which already has an explicit DMARC policy of 'none' on

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Tue, Nov 01, 2022 at 12:18:43AM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > Kevin, > Thanks for your quick response! > > TL;DR: > if you're suggesting that the > > "From: Wolfgang Pfeiffer " > > header in my future emails to this Fedora list should be replaced with > something along the line of this:

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

Kevin, Thanks for your quick response! TL;DR: if you're suggesting that the "From: Wolfgang Pfeiffer " header in my future emails to this Fedora list should be replaced with something along the line of this: "From: Wolfgang Pfeiffer via On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 08:57:28PM +0100, Wolfgang

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 08:57:28PM +0100, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: ...snip... > > By now the list management - provided there is one - should know about > the problem. If they can't fix it I will by sending those DSNs to > /dev/null - or I just unsubscribe. > > Thanks a lot for your time - goes

Fwd: [Undeliverable: [Not Resolved, sorry] Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]]

Wolfgang Pfeiffer writes: > Here we are again: because shortly after sending the message at the > very end of this forwarded message I got the message attached > below. > > One thing that y.antoniowat...@gmail.com (see below) I think y.antoniowatson is possibly a victim as well, because of

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On 10/30/22 3:57 PM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > no such -owner or similar addresses seem to be available in the > mail-headers sent to this list. I believe it's . -srw ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email

Re: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 04:08:00PM -0400, Jonathan Billings wrote: On Oct 30, 2022, at 15:57, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 11:01:55PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: There are addresses specifically for that purpose. It is very frequently the case that list admins

Re: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Oct 30, 2022, at 15:57, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 11:01:55PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >> > So yes: this email is explicitly meant to be also read the Fedora list >> > administrators. >> >> There are addresses specifically for that purpose. It is very >>

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 11:01:55PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: However, with respect to Wolfgang's posts, the official DMARC (RFC 7489) protocol is not involved here since gmx.net publishes a policy of "none", which means receivers should take no action merely on the basis of failure of

Fwd: [Undeliverable: [Not Resolved, sorry] Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]]

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[Resolved] Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

More than 24 hours ago I sent the message below to this list without an error message as a follow-up being sent to me: Looks good, and I'd guess the problem's solved. Thanks a lot to everyone who helped fixing it. :) Wolfgang On Sat, Oct 29, 2022 at 03:01:52PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

Wolfgang Pfeiffer writes: > On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 12:12:21PM +1030, Tim via users wrote: > >You''ll notice that my messages don't come from my address, but the > >list server has changed them to: > > > > Tim via users > > > >And I see the same for some other people. > > > >I think

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Fri, Oct 28, 2022 at 12:12:21PM +1030, Tim via users wrote: On Thu, 2022-10-27 at 23:09 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: 2: Does anyone understand what happened according to the message attached below from postmas...@outlook.com [ ... ] You''ll notice that my messages don't come from my

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Fri, 2022-10-28 at 15:40 -0300, George N. White III wrote: > I use gmail for lists.  I'm still using Yahoo for lists. When I first started using mailing lists, yahoo was the biggest source of spam coming into them, so I figured they deserved to be the recipient. And they seem better at not

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 10:43 PM Tim via users < users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > Gmail seems to have a problem with mailing lists. Heck knows why, it > ought to know how they work, by now. The problem being that when you > post through through the list, *it* is not an authorised

Re: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

Samuel Sieb writes: This is the problem. The server either doesn't like the SPF policy or the received message fails the SPF policy. Maybe the mailing list admins will have to add gmx.net to the list of hidden senders. I run very stringent SPF checks, and to my knowledge I have no issues

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Thu, 2022-10-27 at 23:09 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > 2: Does anyone understand what happened according to the message > attached below from postmas...@outlook.com I saw the message in question, it came through yesterday. My guess is that it's not your problem, but Gmail's. I've

Re: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On 10/27/22 16:01, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 03:17:31PM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: This is the problem.  The server either doesn't like the SPF policy or the received message fails the SPF policy.  Maybe the mailing list admins will have to add gmx.net to the list of

Re: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 03:17:31PM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 10/27/22 15:11, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: Received: from pop.gmx.net [212.227.17.185] by aw17 with POP3 (fetchmail-6.4.31) for <[deleted local user name]@localhost> (single-drop); Wed, 26 Oct 2022 20:13:48 +0200 (CEST)

Re: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On 10/27/22 15:11, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: Received: from pop.gmx.net [212.227.17.185] by aw17 with POP3 (fetchmail-6.4.31) for <[deleted local user name]@localhost> (single-drop); Wed, 26 Oct 2022 20:13:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUR04-HE1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com

Re: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

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Re: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

> Am 27.10.2022 um 23:38 schrieb Wolfgang Pfeiffer : > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 11:09:35PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > >> The error message below, that was sent to me after sending an email to >> this list (via relay=mail.gmx.net. [212.227.17.190] - the message > > wrong: IP should say

Re: Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 11:09:35PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: The error message below, that was sent to me after sending an email to this list (via relay=mail.gmx.net. [212.227.17.190] - the message wrong: IP should say [212.227.17.168] itself can be seen at the very end of the

Re: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

w from postmas...@outlook.com > > Thanks in anticipation > Wolfgang > > > > - Forwarded message from postmas...@outlook.com - > > Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:46:59 + > From: postmas...@outlook.com > Subject: Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

om postmas...@outlook.com - Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:46:59 + From: postmas...@outlook.com Subject: Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse To: r...@gmx.net Delivery has failed to these recipients or groups: y.antoniowat...@gmail.com<mailto:y.antoniowat...@gmail.com> Your message

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I've been observing, from the sidelines, the devolution of mailing lists, Usenet, and IRC into web-based discussion forums of various flavors; getting the bar lowered to the level of Twooter, Spacebook, and TokTik, and more of the

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

Yes, I certainly see what you mean. It's a shame too. Usenet has been around for a very long time. I despise these Facebook type things. So much foolishness. On Wed, Oct 26, 2022, 1:46 PM Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > >I've

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I've been observing, from the sidelines, the devolution of mailing lists, Usenet, and IRC into web-based discussion forums of various flavors; getting the bar lowered to the level of Twooter, Spacebook, and TokTik, and more of the

[Suspected Spam]Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

Patrick O'Callaghan writes: > People who interact with the forum via email will still have their own > copies. And current email archives can be altered just as easily > (though I don't know of any that do so). I don't know anybody who regularly retro-mods their archives for reasons of taste,

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

Wolfgang Pfeiffer writes: On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I understand that the explanation for the migration away from mailing lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes up too much resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; [

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On 25Oct2022 17:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: As Pete point out earlier, that doesn't mean it keeps working exactly as it does now. Read his post for details. To be clear, I mean the post I pointed to in the head item of this thread, i.e.

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On 24Oct2022 22:36, Barry Scott wrote: I've been rebuilding a server recently with a fresh Ubuntu, and systemd has been a massive PITA. Gah! The idea's ok (parallel boot with dependencies and associated service up/down though a single daemon). We've all written them. But when it's going

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 17:24 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 16:04 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 01:53:38PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan > > wrote: > > > On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:37 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 16:04 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 01:53:38PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:37 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > > > > > I understand that

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 9:44 PM Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan writes: > > > It appears that the gnome.org is hosted by RedHat, which is a member of > > the Gnome Foundation. That being the case, I would like to know if > > there is any danger (I use the word advisedly) of this

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 5:35 AM Tim via users wrote: > On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 20:44 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > I've been observing, from the sidelines, the devolution of mailing > > lists, Usenet, and IRC into web-based discussion forums of various > > flavors; getting the bar lowered to

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 01:53:38PM +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:37 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > I understand that the explanation for the migration away from > mailing > lists is that

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

Hello, On Tue, 25 Oct 2022 14:37:16 +0200 Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > >I understand that the explanation for the migration away from mailing > >lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes up > >too much

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 20:44 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > I understand that the explanation for the migration away from mailing > lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes up > too much resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; running a > mail server, and some

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Tue, 2022-10-25 at 14:37 +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > I understand that the explanation for the migration away from > > mailing > > lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes > > up > > too much

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: I understand that the explanation for the migration away from mailing lists is that maintaining the mailing lists is a hassle and takes up too much resources. I'm suspicious of the veracity of that; [ ... ] I think it's also

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 20:44 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > I've been observing, from the sidelines, the devolution of mailing > lists, Usenet, and IRC into web-based discussion forums of various > flavors; getting the bar lowered to the level of Twooter, Spacebook, > and TokTik, and more of the

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

Patrick O'Callaghan writes: It appears that the gnome.org is hosted by RedHat, which is a member of the Gnome Foundation. That being the case, I would like to know if there is any danger (I use the word advisedly) of this list and others in the Fedora ecosphere suffering the same fate. Maybe

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:13 PM Tim via users wrote: > On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 11:32 -0300, George N. White III wrote: > > I suspect one reason for the change was the need to combat SPAM and > > DOS attacks. > > I noticed comments about spam handling on the mailing lists Patrick > linked (the

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

> On 24 Oct 2022, at 04:48, Cameron Simpson wrote: > > On 23Oct2022 17:03, Tom Horsley wrote: >> Obviously the next step is to merge the Discourse server with systemd! >> :-) > > &^$*$^*$&^$ systemd. What a heap of (^&(*^&(&^ > > I've been rebuilding a server recently with a fresh Ubuntu,

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

> On 23 Oct 2022, at 16:50, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org mailing lsits are > being moved to > Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation > and has caused a good deal of consternation on at least some of said

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 11:32 -0300, George N. White III wrote: > I suspect one reason for the change was the need to combat SPAM and > DOS attacks. I noticed comments about spam handling on the mailing lists Patrick linked (the notion that the web forum was better at rejecting it). I have to

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 4:23 AM Tim via users wrote: > On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 03:40 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > > People have tried that kind of thing, here. Suggesting support move to > > a web forum. We have hyperkitty to thank/curse for that. This list > > carries on, users maintaining

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 17:03:58 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > Obviously the next step is to merge the Discourse server with systemd! > > :-) This is realy a winner. Drop the mailing list and i'm out. ___ users mailing list --

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Mon, 2022-10-24 at 03:40 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > People have tried that kind of thing, here. Suggesting support move to > a web forum. We have hyperkitty to thank/curse for that. This list > carries on, users maintaining its activity. The various website things > come and go. My

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On 23Oct2022 22:25, Slade Watkins wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 4:55 PM Cameron Simpson wrote: These days I'm a big +1 for Discourse. From being a big -1. I'm not that huge of a fan, haha. I think it bring more inclusion for the web first crowd, while still being effective from the

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On 23Oct2022 17:03, Tom Horsley wrote: Obviously the next step is to merge the Discourse server with systemd! :-) &^$*$^*$&^$ systemd. What a heap of (^&(*^&(&^ I've been rebuilding a server recently with a fresh Ubuntu, and systemd has been a massive PITA. Gah! The idea's ok (parallel

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 4:55 PM Cameron Simpson wrote: > With respect to this item in that post: > >No or broken threading on emails. This one is so annoying. Doesn't >any of the people who use Discourse use threading anywhere. >Context is everything. > > This is fixed in current

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

Obviously the next step is to merge the Discourse server with systemd! :-) ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On 23Oct2022 16:50, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: 2) In some ways many of us consider the Discourse platform to be significantly inferior to a mailing list. It does offer a mailing list interface but in several respects it is inadequate. I refer you to this post which goes into some detail:

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Sun, Oct 23, 2022 at 12:16 PM Mike Wright wrote: > On 10/23/22 08:50, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org mailing lsits are being moved to > > Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation > > and has caused a good deal of consternation

Re: [Fedora] Re: OT: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

Dear all, On Sun, 23 Oct 2022, wwp wrote: I can see on the gimp and mc (midnight commander) mailing lists, very interesting information about viable alternatives and that the resistance is raising. The gnumeric community started a new mailing list. The real issue behind these initiatives is

Re: OT: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

Hello all, I can see on the gimp and mc (midnight commander) mailing lists, very interesting information about viable alternatives and that the resistance is raising. Regards, -- wwp https://useplaintext.email/ pgp8XfR29It3n.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On 10/23/22 08:50, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org mailing lsits are being moved to Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation and has caused a good deal of consternation on at least some of said lists. I speak mainly for the Evolution

Re: OT: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 04:26:10 +1030 Tim via users wrote: > On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 10:28 -0700, stan via users wrote: > > I've noticed this exact trend. I think it is a management climber > > wanting to cut costs to get ahead, regardless what it does to > > customer service, and thus company

Re: OT: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 10:28 -0700, stan via users wrote: > I've noticed this exact trend. I think it is a management climber > wanting to cut costs to get ahead, regardless what it does to customer > service, and thus company reputation. And, unless my issue is > absolutely essential, I *do*

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Sun, 23 Oct 2022 16:50:30 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org mailing lsits are being moved to > Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation > and has caused a good deal of consternation on at least some of said > lists. I speak

OT: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 03:40:41 +1030 Tim via users wrote: > of them that I've seen just sucks. My website host uses one of those > ticketing support systems, it seems designed to make people give up > in disgust when trying to resolve an issue. You can't email them, > you can't phone them. I've

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 16:50 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > In some ways many of us consider the Discourse platform to be > significantly inferior to a mailing list. It does offer a mailing list > interface but in several respects it is inadequate. I refer you to this > post which goes into

Re: Mailing lists and Discourse

On Sun, 2022-10-23 at 16:50 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org mailing lsits are being moved to > Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation > and has caused a good deal of consternation on at least some of said > lists. I speak

Mailing lists and Discourse

Many (perhaps all) of the gnome.org mailing lsits are being moved to Discourse. This apparently is a decision made by the Gnome Foundation and has caused a good deal of consternation on at least some of said lists. I speak mainly for the Evolution list but I think the same is true on at least some