Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Samuel Sieb writes: On 3/22/21 6:00 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Yup. This is an obvious vendor lock-in play. Replace widely-known technologies with new, arcane stuff whose full documentation is kept internal, and is leveraged as a value-added product. We all understand by now that you

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 3/22/21 6:00 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Tom Horsley writes: On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:07:12 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > It seems to be trying to derive epoch time for > the next start time, something along those lines. More obviously it seems to be systemd re-implementing cron from

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Tom Horsley writes: On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:07:12 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > It seems to be trying to derive epoch time for > the next start time, something along those lines. More obviously it seems to be systemd re-implementing cron from scratch instead of just using the already working

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 18:07:12 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > It seems to be trying to derive epoch time for > the next start time, something along those lines. More obviously it seems to be systemd re-implementing cron from scratch instead of just using the already working after decades of use

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Tom Horsley writes: On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 08:22:46 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > This is complexity purely for the sake of having complexity, and introducing > more unneeded dependencies on the systemd monstrosity. Didn't this thread start with a warning about raid systems hanging at boot?

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Chris Murphy
The bug report: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1941335 Fix is nearly ready: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/19075 -- Chris Murphy ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2021-03-22 at 10:06 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 9:52 AM Tom Horsley > wrote: > > > > Didn't this thread start with a warning about raid systems > > hanging at boot? What on earth does raid care what the > > timezone is? > > From the thread on the devel list[1], it

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread George N. White III
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 at 10:45, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 08:22:46 -0400 > Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > This is complexity purely for the sake of having complexity, and > introducing > > more unneeded dependencies on the systemd monstrosity. > > Didn't this thread start with a

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Ben Cotton
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 9:52 AM Tom Horsley wrote: > > Didn't this thread start with a warning about raid systems > hanging at boot? What on earth does raid care what the > timezone is? From the thread on the devel list[1], it seems that the issue may be that Ireland switched to summer time at

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 08:22:46 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > This is complexity purely for the sake of having complexity, and introducing > more unneeded dependencies on the systemd monstrosity. Didn't this thread start with a warning about raid systems hanging at boot? What on earth does raid

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Ed Greshko writes: On 22/03/2021 19:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2021-03-21 at 19:48 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: But, it seems that this was too simple. Things cannot be this simple anymore. We must have daemons involved in this process, for some unclear reason. The more, the

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 22/03/2021 20:07, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2021-03-22 at 19:43 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: When it comes to time zones, it can help clear up some ambiguities for people that don't live in the US.  Like, did you know that Taiwan the abbreviation for our time zone is CST?  Setting the

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2021-03-22 at 19:43 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > When it comes to time zones, it can help clear up some ambiguities > for people that don't live in > the US.  Like, did you know that Taiwan the abbreviation for our time > zone is CST?  Setting the > time zone from the list provided by

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 22/03/2021 19:26, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2021-03-21 at 19:48 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: But, it seems that this was too simple. Things cannot be this simple anymore. We must have daemons involved in this process, for some unclear reason. The more, the merrier. Pandemonium.

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2021-03-21 at 19:48 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > But, it seems that this was too simple. Things cannot be this simple  > anymore. We must have daemons involved in this process, for some > unclear  > reason. The more, the merrier. Pandemonium. poc

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 4:37 PM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Mon, 2021-03-22 at 06:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 22/03/2021 02:27, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > Some folks are reporting a hang when booting Fedora 33 this morning > > > (or also possibly wake from sleep). We're still digging

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-21 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Ed Greshko writes: Another interesting factoid. [egreshko@f33g ~]$ sudo timedatectl set-timezone Europe/Dublin [egreshko@f33g ~]$ date Sun Mar 21 22:49:06 GMT 2021 [egreshko@f33g ~]$ sudo timedatectl set-timezone Asia/Taipei And the command is "hung" Until Failed to set time zone:

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 22/03/2021 07:07, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Clearly BZ-worthy I'd say. Oh, there is one. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1941335 -- People who believe they don't make mistakes have already made one. ___ users mailing list --

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2021-03-22 at 06:54 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 22/03/2021 06:36, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Mon, 2021-03-22 at 06:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 22/03/2021 02:27, Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > Some folks are reporting a hang when booting Fedora 33 this > > > > morning > > > >

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 22/03/2021 06:36, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2021-03-22 at 06:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 22/03/2021 02:27, Chris Murphy wrote: Some folks are reporting a hang when booting Fedora 33 this morning (or also possibly wake from sleep). We're still digging into it but looks like a

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2021-03-22 at 06:12 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 22/03/2021 02:27, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Some folks are reporting a hang when booting Fedora 33 this morning > > (or also possibly wake from sleep). We're still digging into it but > > looks like a work around right now is to boot with

Re: boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 22/03/2021 02:27, Chris Murphy wrote: Some folks are reporting a hang when booting Fedora 33 this morning (or also possibly wake from sleep). We're still digging into it but looks like a work around right now is to boot with parameter: systemd.mask=raid-check.timer You can subsequently

boot hang on F33 this morning

2021-03-21 Thread Chris Murphy
Some folks are reporting a hang when booting Fedora 33 this morning (or also possibly wake from sleep). We're still digging into it but looks like a work around right now is to boot with parameter: systemd.mask=raid-check.timer You can subsequently 'systemctl disable raid-check.timer'. Folks with