Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 3:11:44 PM, Jeff Chan wrote: > On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 3:05:30 PM, Bill Landry wrote: >> - Original Message - >> From: "Ryan Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> We need to find the correlation of IP addresses to hostnames. See >>> http://whois.sc/ ; I

SpamAssassin 3.0.0 RC4 RELEASED

2004-09-09 Thread Theo Van Dinter
*** THIS IS A RELEASE CANDIDATE ONLY, NOT THE FINAL 3.0.0 RELEASE *** SpamAssassin 3.0.0-rc4 is released! SpamAssassin 3.0.0 is a major update and includes a number of new email and anti-spam technologies. SpamAssassin is a mail filter which uses advanced statistical and heuristic tests to ident

Re[2]: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Pete McNeil
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 6:22:39 PM, Scott wrote: SAC> On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:56:33 -0400, Chris Santerre SAC> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but Raymond >> and I felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some tests >> of 150

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 3:57:46 PM, Ryan Thompson wrote: > Jeff Chan wrote to Justin Mason: >>> Yeah. I was referring to the proposal to lookup IP addresses for >>> href hostnames directly (instead of looking up the NS'es.) >> >> Yep. Resolving domain names found in spam URIs is slow >

understanding sa-learn

2004-09-09 Thread Sam Carleton
I am new to SpamAssassin, which is why I am going to be asking stupid questions;) I have SpamAssassin on a gateway mail server (machine A) that delievers to a qmail server (Machine B). I have both Mutt clients (via Maildir/) and Outlook clients (via POP3) accessing the mail. I thought that sa-le

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:52:53 PM, Matt Kettler wrote: > At 05:23 PM 9/9/2004, Chris Santerre wrote: >>OOH yeah! I didn't know that! Are we sure this is actually what it >>means and not just a miss-syntaxed paragraph? It actually resolves the IP >>against the RBL lookup? >> >>If so

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Ryan Thompson
[ Whew! CC trimmed :-) ] Jeff Chan wrote to Justin Mason: Yeah. I was referring to the proposal to lookup IP addresses for href hostnames directly (instead of looking up the NS'es.) Yep. Resolving domain names found in spam URIs is slow Aha. Key word = "domain names". All the world's a host. Spam

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:48:51 PM, System Dan Mahoney wrote: > On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Matt Kettler wrote: > If it's blacklisting based on resolved ip, it should probably be noted > that there are a couple of caveats: > 1) Spammers can set up multiple ip addresses to an A record. Whatever

RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Smart,Dan
> -Original Message- > From: Scott A Crosby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:23 PM > > We should be a bit more careful than this --- require that a > new URL has to resolve to the same IP address as, say, at > least 3 other SURBL entries before be

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 3:28:27 PM, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote: >> Holy fsck guys! We have a good thing going here. We're put a >> lot of work into it so far, and it's working pretty well. Let's >> not tear apart the SURBL project, OK? >> >> Give me a chance to make some improvements in th

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 3:22:39 PM, Scott Crosby wrote: > On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:56:33 -0400, Chris Santerre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How does this sound? Combine spamtraps with SURBL, using the IP as a > hint to fully automatically add on the new domain. If a spamtrap email > includes

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! ADD THEM TO SBL. DO NOT ADD THEM TO SURBL. kay! Holy fsck guys! We have a good thing going here. We're put a lot of work into it so far, and it's working pretty well. Let's not tear apart the SURBL project, OK? Give me a chance to make some improvements in the next version of the data engin

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 3:19:49 PM, Justin Mason wrote: > Raymond Dijkxhoorn writes: >> >> 1) Spammers can set up multiple ip addresses to an A record. Whatever >> >> does the reporting should check all A records, from the top down. i.e. >> >> query each NS multiple times to make sure it'

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Scott A Crosby
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:56:33 -0400, Chris Santerre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but Raymond > and I felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some tests > of 1500+ domains and found the following data. Looks like they maybe > send f

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Raymond Dijkxhoorn writes: > >> 1) Spammers can set up multiple ip addresses to an A record. Whatever > >> does the reporting should check all A records, from the top down. i.e. > >> query each NS multiple times to make sure it's not being round-rob

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:26:37 PM, Chris Santerre wrote: >>-Original Message- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:17 PM >>To: Raymond Dijkxhoorn >>Cc: Alex Broens; >>[EMAIL PROTECTED]; SURBL >>Discussion list (E-mail); Spamas

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! Did you actually have a look on the sata provided at the start of this thread ? Sure, it COULD be different, but somehow, it isnt. Yes, I did. But I'm trying to think ahead of current practice, by what's considered a GOOD practice to keep a site up, and what's bad. I'm not saying they're

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Ryan Thompson
Jeff Chan wrote to Ryan Thompson: On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:34:00 PM, Ryan Thompson wrote: "Can't" is a curse word to a scientist. "Can't *yet*", on the other hand, is usually a good motivator! - Ryan A good scientist has at least a working understanding of the theoretical limits of knowled

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 3:05:30 PM, Bill Landry wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Ryan Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> We need to find the correlation of IP addresses to hostnames. See >> http://whois.sc/ ; I can, with some help, duplicate what they're doing >> in a way that

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! 1) Spammers can set up multiple ip addresses to an A record. Whatever does the reporting should check all A records, from the top down. i.e. query each NS multiple times to make sure it's not being round-robined or reported differently from multiple DNS servers. 2) I can easily forsee spammer

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:22:17 PM, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote: >> 1) Those registers are going to feel some rath soon from the antispam >> community. >> 2) We gonna mark the IP, you silly little monkeys! >> >> I think the code should be added into the SURBL code. It would need to be a >> pat

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! OK by auto include them I guess you were referring to domains, not IPs. If so, that's what I'm proposing for the SC data. Yes, we need to list the domains. Very good idea. Ask Larry privately if you can feed SBL. Lets see if he responds to my other mail first. He's rather busy lately i notic

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Bill Landry
- Original Message - From: "Ryan Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > We need to find the correlation of IP addresses to hostnames. See > http://whois.sc/ ; I can, with some help, duplicate what they're doing > in a way that will help us fight spam. Uh oh, whois.sc is listed in WS... :-o Bi

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Ryan Thompson
Jeff Chan wrote to SURBL Discussion list and Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail): .com is so large and rapidly changing as to be practically unknowable. That's what I mean by "can't". IIRC, .com is up to about 25M domains, and it's way, way higher than the other gTLDs (and light years beyond ccTLDs). By th

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote: Hi! 1) Spammers can set up multiple ip addresses to an A record. Whatever does the reporting should check all A records, from the top down. i.e. query each NS multiple times to make sure it's not being round-robined or reported differently from mul

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:49:39 PM, System Dan Mahoney wrote: > On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Jeff Chan wrote: >> On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:28:07 PM, Ryan Thompson wrote: >>> However, for all we know *so far*, 219.254.32.111 could be a HA cluster >>> of a few dozen machines, and, while there

RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Matt Kettler
At 05:23 PM 9/9/2004, Chris Santerre wrote: OOH yeah! I didn't know that! Are we sure this is actually what it means and not just a miss-syntaxed paragraph? It actually resolves the IP against the RBL lookup? If sowell then...problem solved, and devs get a cookie :) Actually, upon close

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Mahoney, System Admin writes: > On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Matt Kettler wrote: > > If it's blacklisting based on resolved ip, it should probably be noted > that there are a couple of caveats: > > 1) Spammers can set up multiple ip addresses to an A re

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:36:25 PM, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote: >> Please do not include broad IPs in SURBLs. That goes against >> the way we have designed them. If I find this happening, I will >> take action to stop them. PLEASE DO NOT DO IT!! > That was not my intention... OK by auto

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! 1) Spammers can set up multiple ip addresses to an A record. Whatever does the reporting should check all A records, from the top down. i.e. query each NS multiple times to make sure it's not being round-robined or reported differently from multiple DNS servers. 2) I can easily forsee spa

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:23:56 PM, Chris Santerre wrote: >>From: Matt Kettler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>At 04:56 PM 9/9/2004, Chris Santerre wrote: >>>So is there a way to use the IP info in a good way? Could SA >>or SURBL do a >>>quick ping of the URL and match against a URL? This wou

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Matt Kettler wrote: If it's blacklisting based on resolved ip, it should probably be noted that there are a couple of caveats: 1) Spammers can set up multiple ip addresses to an A record. Whatever does the reporting should check all A records, from the top down. i.e. query

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Dan Mahoney, System Admin
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004, Jeff Chan wrote: On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:28:07 PM, Ryan Thompson wrote: However, for all we know *so far*, 219.254.32.111 could be a HA cluster of a few dozen machines, and, while there may be 200 pill spammers on that cluster, there may be 20,000 other legit sites. W

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:34:00 PM, Ryan Thompson wrote: > "Can't" is a curse word to a scientist. "Can't *yet*", on the other > hand, is usually a good motivator! > - Ryan A good scientist has at least a working understanding of the theoretical limits of knowledge. Jeff C.

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:28:07 PM, Ryan Thompson wrote: > However, for all we know *so far*, 219.254.32.111 could be a HA cluster > of a few dozen machines, and, while there may be 200 pill spammers on > that cluster, there may be 20,000 other legit sites. > With our current data, we can'

Re: SpamAssassin help

2004-09-09 Thread Marco van den Bovenkamp
Jeff Chan wrote: On Wednesday, September 8, 2004, 7:30:48 AM, Marco Bovenkamp wrote: I run my own mailserver, with SA. Most people don't. That's why I *also* said 'I probably don't qualify as your typical 'home user'' I agree with you that a provider should do the filtering and the clients shoul

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! Please do not include broad IPs in SURBLs. That goes against the way we have designed them. If I find this happening, I will take action to stop them. PLEASE DO NOT DO IT!! That was not my intention... If we can submit them for listing inside the SBL, fine, any submission method available t

RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Matt Kettler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:18 PM >To: Chris Santerre; SURBL Discussion list (E-mail) >Cc: Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail) >Subject: Re: Start an IP list to block? > > >At 04:56 PM 9/9/2004, Chris Santerre wrote: >>So

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Ryan Thompson
Jeff Chan wrote to Chris Santerre: It is a question about the limits of knowledge. In our universe we can't see the potential collateral damage from listing a shared host, so we should not do it. From our point of view it's not knowable. Sure the hosting company knows whether that's the case, but

RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:26 PM >To: Chris Santerre >Cc: SURBL Discussion list (E-mail); Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail) >Subject: Re: Start an IP list to block? > > >On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 1:56:33 PM, Chris Sa

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:17:03 PM, Justin Mason wrote: > Raymond Dijkxhoorn writes: >> Hi! >> >> > Chris, Raymond , >> > >> > I went thru a random few of these and they're were listed at Spamhaus. >> > Using spamhaus at SMTP level or SA doing RBL lookups would have caught and >> > stoppe

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:00:25 PM, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote: >> OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but Raymond and I >> felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some tests of 1500+ >> domains and found the following data. Looks like they maybe send from >> z

Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Ryan Thompson
Chris Santerre wrote to SURBL Discussion list (E-mail): OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but Raymond and I felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some tests of 1500+ domains and found the following data. Looks like they maybe send from zombies, and never their ho

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 1:56:33 PM, Chris Santerre wrote: > OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but Raymond and I > felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some tests of 1500+ > domains and found the following data. Looks like they maybe send from > zombies,

RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:17 PM >To: Raymond Dijkxhoorn >Cc: Alex Broens; >[EMAIL PROTECTED]; SURBL >Discussion list (E-mail); Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail) >Subject: Re: Start an IP list to block? > > >-

RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! 1) Those registers are going to feel some rath soon from the antispam community. 2) We gonna mark the IP, you silly little monkeys! I think the code should be added into the SURBL code. It would need to be a patch for SA 3.0 as it is prbly too late for it to go in now. But it should be simple t

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:14:29 PM, Jeff Chan wrote: > On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:05:28 PM, Alex Broens wrote: >> Chris Santerre wrote: >>> So is there a way to use the IP info in a good way? Could SA or SURBL do a >>> quick ping of the URL and match against a URL? This would allow

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! No, that wont work. The spams are sended in via trojans/proxys only the websites are static. SOME are blocked with DSBL and so but most of the time they start a spamrun with a fresh set it seems. So yes, they are inside spamhaus, but only the websites, didnt see mails sended out from there (ye

RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:14 PM >To: SpamAssassin Users; SURBL Discuss >Subject: Re: Start an IP list to block? > > >On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:05:28 PM, Alex Broens wrote: >> Chris Santerre wrote: > >>> OK,

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Matt Kettler
At 04:56 PM 9/9/2004, Chris Santerre wrote: So is there a way to use the IP info in a good way? Could SA or SURBL do a quick ping of the URL and match against a URL? This would allow us to simply list 1 IP instead of all these domains. Chris, SA 3.0 appears to already support checking DNS blacklist

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Raymond Dijkxhoorn writes: > Hi! > > > Chris, Raymond , > > > > I went thru a random few of these and they're were listed at Spamhaus. > > Using spamhaus at SMTP level or SA doing RBL lookups would have caught and > > stopped them... Spamcop probabl

RE: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Raymond Dijkxhoorn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:10 PM >To: Alex Broens >Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; SURBL >Discussion list (E-mail); Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail) >Subject: Re: Start an IP list to block? > > >Hi! > >> Chris, Raymond ,

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:05:28 PM, Alex Broens wrote: > Chris Santerre wrote: >> OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but Raymond and I >> felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some tests of 1500+ >> domains and found the following data. Looks like they ma

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! Chris, Raymond , I went thru a random few of these and they're were listed at Spamhaus. Using spamhaus at SMTP level or SA doing RBL lookups would have caught and stopped them... Spamcop probably has quite a few of them listed as well No, that wont work. The spams are sended in via trojans/pro

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Alex Broens
Chris Santerre wrote: OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but Raymond and I felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some tests of 1500+ domains and found the following data. Looks like they maybe send from zombies, and never their hosts. IPs are similar across the bo

Re: Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Raymond Dijkxhoorn
Hi! OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but Raymond and I felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some tests of 1500+ domains and found the following data. Looks like they maybe send from zombies, and never their hosts. IPs are similar across the board. 219.254.32.1

Start an IP list to block?

2004-09-09 Thread Chris Santerre
OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but Raymond and I felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some tests of 1500+ domains and found the following data. Looks like they maybe send from zombies, and never their hosts. IPs are similar across the board. So is there a w

Re: timing/performance issues

2004-09-09 Thread Lucas Albers
I've had good results doing bayes learn_to_journal and then running a rebuild every hour. This runs quick, even with concurrent access's. Bayes get's updated quickly. Bayes is only locked for a few seconds every hour, less than 3 seconds. Ralf Hildebrandt said: > * Justin Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: How to handle bounces

2004-09-09 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
Evan Platt wrote: > Agreeed. OoO is pointless. No point in it. I can't count how > many times I > post to a list, and get an e-mail back that "I am out of the office. > Contact Joe @ XXX-XXX- in my absence. Until the OoO reply can be > configured to not reply to spam, not reply to group mails,

Re: How to handle bounces

2004-09-09 Thread Evan Platt
At 07:50 AM 9/9/2004, you wrote: If you are that concerned about what information is revealed in out of office autoreplies, you should not be allowing OoO autoreplies externally anyway. They pose a far greater security risk in terms of leaking information that can be used in social engineering

RE: rules_du_jour

2004-09-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: John Fleming [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:25 PM >To: Spamassassin users >Subject: Re: rules_du_jour > > >Chris Thielen said: >> Hi John >> >> On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 19:10 -0500, John Fleming wrote: >>> I've been manually updatin

Re: How to handle bounces

2004-09-09 Thread Marco Supino
Thanks for the ideas, procmail will not help, as not all of my email users are local, I will look at mimedefang for this, although the other points mentioned here do have a point, also defining global rules to ignore the spam message for OoO message is too complicated for any email system i kno

Re: How to handle bounces

2004-09-09 Thread Kelson
Kevin Peuhkurinen wrote: If you are that concerned about what information is revealed in out of office autoreplies, you should not be allowing OoO autoreplies externally anyway. They pose a far greater security risk in terms of leaking information that can be used in social engineering attacks

Re: rules_du_jour

2004-09-09 Thread John Fleming
Chris Thielen said: > Hi John > > On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 19:10 -0500, John Fleming wrote: >> I've been manually updating 8-9 rulesets every couple of months and, >> with >> Bayes, get great results. Now I'd like to use rules_du_jour. >> rules_du_jour >> is in /root/bin, and perms executable as sugg

error

2004-09-09 Thread Eicke
Hi folks, I've been getting the below error for any messages that spamassassin processes: Sep 9 13:44:40 bh spamd[71200]: razor2 check skipped: No such file or directory IO::Socket::INET: Operation now in progress ...propagated at /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.005/Mail/SpamAssassin/Dns.pm line

RE: SARE_FRAUD vs SURBLs (Was: RE: Mass-check errors)

2004-09-09 Thread Smart,Dan
> -Original Message- > From: Smart,Dan > To: Chris Santerre; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: SARE_FRAUD vs SURBLs (Was: RE: Mass-check errors) > > I then did a > Perl -d:Dprof /usr/bin/spamassassin < testfile And then ran > the profiler as described on the Wiki. > Dprofpp comp

RE: SARE_FRAUD vs SURBLs (Was: RE: Mass-check errors)

2004-09-09 Thread Smart,Dan
Chris, I followed the process documented in ... http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/ProfilingRulesWithDprof I used the Dprof with SpamAssassin, as I couldn't get Dprof to work with mass-check without a Segmentation Fault. For testing, I create a Maildir with messages that took longer than 30 se

Re: rules_du_jour

2004-09-09 Thread Chris Thielen
Hi John On Wed, 2004-09-08 at 19:10 -0500, John Fleming wrote: > I've been manually updating 8-9 rulesets every couple of months and, with > Bayes, get great results. Now I'd like to use rules_du_jour. rules_du_jour > is in /root/bin, and perms executable as suggested. I've also made the > appr

Re: SARE_FRAUD vs SURBLs (Was: RE: Mass-check errors)

2004-09-09 Thread Kelson
Jeff Chan wrote: SARE_FRAUD has rules to catch text patterns in messages. It does not look for phishing URI domains and IP addresses. Therefore PH and SARE_FRAUD are not equivalent, and you may want to keep using the SARE rule, even if you are using PH in multi.surbl.org. More importantly, many o

RE: Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread ROY,RHETT G
You could block them with your MTA (Postfix, Qmail etc). > -Original Message- > From: Rob Blomquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:08 AM > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Catching Windows executables as attachments > > I have currently tun

Re: Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread Jack L. Stone
At 09:33 AM 9.9.2004 -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: >On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:49:09PM -0700, Loren Wilton wrote: >> However, it has been removed from 3.0. And while I agree with removing >> binary attachments before scanning in SA, I consider that removing the >> mime-part header that contained t

Re: 3.0.0-rc3 - Migrate Bayes/AWL to SQL?

2004-09-09 Thread Josh Trutwin
On Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:37:19 -0400 (EDT) "Jason Levine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael, I did the Bayes --backup from DB and --restore to SQL, and > it imported it all in as each specific user. That is to say: > > - there's a table, bayes_vars, that has a record for each user, and > assigns

Re: 3.0.0-rc3 - Migrate Bayes/AWL to SQL?

2004-09-09 Thread Jason Levine
Michael, I did the Bayes --backup from DB and --restore to SQL, and it imported it all in as each specific user. That is to say: - there's a table, bayes_vars, that has a record for each user, and assigns each user an id. - the other three relevant tables (bayes_token, bayes_seen, and bayes_expir

RE: SARE_FRAUD vs SURBLs (Was: RE: Mass-check errors)

2004-09-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:07 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: SARE_FRAUD vs SURBLs (Was: RE: Mass-check errors) > > >On Wednesday, September 8, 2004, 7:12:26 AM, Smart,Dan Smart,Dan wrote: >> What I found was th

Re: How to handle bounces

2004-09-09 Thread Kevin Peuhkurinen
If you are that concerned about what information is revealed in out of office autoreplies, you should not be allowing OoO autoreplies externally anyway. They pose a far greater security risk in terms of leaking information that can be used in social engineering attacks than the risk you are w

Re: Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread Michael W Cocke
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:07:53 -0700, you wrote: >I have currently tuned my SARE spam filters, and am humming right along, I get >one or 2 uncaught spams a day which is no big deal. But I would like to catch >the virus emails that have Win exe, scr, bat, and the like for attachments, >but I can't

Re: 3.0.0-rc3 - Migrate Bayes/AWL to SQL?

2004-09-09 Thread Michael Parker
On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 09:01:15AM -0500, Josh Trutwin wrote: > > My previous install used a global whitelist / bayes database for all > accounts. That wasn't the best idea but it worked for a while. If > you re-train with sa-learn does the AWL also get re-built? > Bayes and AWL have nothing t

How to handle bounces

2004-09-09 Thread Marco Supino
Hi, I have a question, and hope someone has a solution, I run Spamassassin 2.63 site-wide with sendmail and spamass-milter. When an email is marked as SPAM, the headers are added, and the subject is changed, now lets assume some particular user has enabled "Out of the office" , the "bounced" mess

Re: 3.0.0-rc3 - Migrate Bayes/AWL to SQL?

2004-09-09 Thread Josh Trutwin
On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 21:19:52 -0500 Michael Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You with the SPF folks on spf.pobox.com? > It imports as whatever user you run sa-learn as. Yeah, I'm seeing this behavior. I hacked my qmail-scanner to pass in the email address as the username to spamc for my vmailmgr

Re: Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 10:49:09PM -0700, Loren Wilton wrote: > However, it has been removed from 3.0. And while I agree with removing > binary attachments before scanning in SA, I consider that removing the > mime-part header that contained the type and name is a mistake. There have > been any n

RE: Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Rob Blomquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 1:08 AM >To: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: Catching Windows executables as attachments > > >I have currently tuned my SARE spam filters, and am humming >right along, I get >o

Re: Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread Steve Bertrand
> I have currently tuned my SARE spam filters, and am humming right > along, I get > one or 2 uncaught spams a day which is no big deal. But I would like > to catch > the virus emails that have Win exe, scr, bat, and the like for > attachments, > but I can't find a rule for them. > > Is there one?

RE: Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread Mike Kercher
Rob Blomquist wrote: > I have currently tuned my SARE spam filters, and am humming right > along, I get one or 2 uncaught spams a day which is no big deal. But > I would like to catch the virus emails that have Win exe, scr, bat, > and the like for attachments, but I can't find a rule for them.

RE: Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread Pierre Thomson
MailScanner is another fine wrapper for SA and your favorite virus scanner. It has rules to block attachments by filename and/or by file type as indicated by the "magic" bytes at the beginning. This stops new virii before they are recognized by AV programs. Even with hourly AV updates, we get

Re: Solaris 9, CommuniGate, and Spamassassin

2004-09-09 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
David, Thank you! I'll go take a peek at the web site. CommuniGate is all new to me, and any help is wonderful. I continually lobbied for using sendmail, but was out voted... Thanks again, Mark At 01:16 PM 9/8/2004, David Birnbaum wrote: Mark, We set up our own integration package; ho

Re: rules_du_jour

2004-09-09 Thread Alex Pleiner
* Jim Sabatke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004-09-09 03:14]: > umm, you need the comment there. bash knows to look past it > on the first line (and only the first line). It's the kernel not the bash, that has to interpret the shebang line and calls the interpreter/shell. For bash this is just a commen

Re: Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread jdow
From: "Christof Damian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 06:49, Loren Wilton wrote: > > > In 2.63 there is the MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE check that triggers on a > > > number (but by no means all) viruses, and can be useful for > > > various things. However, it has been removed from 3.0.

Re: Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread Christof Damian
> On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 06:49, Loren Wilton wrote: > > In 2.63 there is the MICROSOFT_EXECUTABLE check that triggers on a > > number (but by no means all) viruses, and can be useful for > > various things. However, it has been removed from 3.0. That is a shame, I use that at the moment to score+2

mass-check and rejected mail issue

2004-09-09 Thread Chris Stenton
I have set up my MTA to reject mail with SA scores over 12. This will distort the stats produced by mass-check cos all I get in is the "its probably spam" mail; is it still OK to send in the mass-check results? Chris

Re: Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread Chris Stenton
Use something like mimedefang. It blocks attachments you don't want and will run clamav, SA etc on incoming mail. Chris On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 06:49, Loren Wilton wrote: > > But I would like to catch > > the virus emails that have Win exe, scr, bat, and the like for > attachments, > > but I can't

Re: SpamAssassin help

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Wednesday, September 8, 2004, 7:30:48 AM, Marco Bovenkamp wrote: > I run my > own mailserver, with SA. Most people don't. Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.surbl.org/

SARE_FRAUD vs SURBLs (Was: RE: Mass-check errors)

2004-09-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Wednesday, September 8, 2004, 7:12:26 AM, Smart,Dan Smart,Dan wrote: > What I found was that the Textcat language rules was main time-sink, > followed by the SARE_FRAUD ruleset. Since SURBL now has the PH list, I > removed the FRAUD ruleset too. Dan, SARE_FRAUD has rules to catch text patterns

Re: timing/performance issues

2004-09-09 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* Justin Mason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > perldoc Devel::DProf -- that's the perl profiler. but as you said, > it now appears to be bayes -- it could be that if a scan is taking > a *very* long time, what's actually taking place is a Bayes expiration > run, which happens once every N days (typically)

Re: Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread Loren Wilton
> But I would like to catch > the virus emails that have Win exe, scr, bat, and the like for attachments, > but I can't find a rule for them. > > Is there one? How can I catch them otherwise? Sadly there really isn't one. People will tell you to simply use a more appropriate tool for virus catchi

Re: SpamAssissin

2004-09-09 Thread Philippe AMIOT
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le Mercredi 08 Septembre 2004 15:03, Seyyed Mehdi Sheikhalishahi a écrit : > Hi > I installed qmail and spamassissin on it. I don't know how configure > spamass to have a blacklist, whitelist ? > How update spam database of spamass for new spammer? > T

Catching Windows executables as attachments

2004-09-09 Thread Rob Blomquist
I have currently tuned my SARE spam filters, and am humming right along, I get one or 2 uncaught spams a day which is no big deal. But I would like to catch the virus emails that have Win exe, scr, bat, and the like for attachments, but I can't find a rule for them. Is there one? How can I cat

Re: 3.0.0-rc3 - Migrate Bayes/AWL to SQL?

2004-09-09 Thread Michael Parker
On Wed, Sep 08, 2004 at 05:47:03PM -0500, Josh Trutwin wrote: > On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 16:04:00 -0500 > Michael Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > To migrate AWL data you can use the convert_awl_dbm_to_sql script in > > the tools directory. > > Looks like I have it working though I think I'm goi

Re: rules_du_jour

2004-09-09 Thread John Fleming
- Original Message - From: "Jim Sabatke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:12 PM Subject: Re: rules_du_jour > John Fleming wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jim Sabatke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > >>1. Did you change the first line of ru

Re: rules_du_jour

2004-09-09 Thread John Fleming
- Original Message - From: "Jim Sabatke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: Re: rules_du_jour > John Fleming wrote: > > P.S. If you know how to get my mail command back, I obviously would like to > > know that too! It used to be there, and I

Re: spamassassin 2.60 to 2.64 initial nonspam test fails

2004-09-09 Thread Robert Menschel
Hello Obantec, Wednesday, September 8, 2004, 7:58:20 AM, you wrote: OS> Hi OS> I have upgraded from 2.60 to 2.64 but the test OS> spamassassin -t < sample-nonspam.txt > nonspam.out locks up. OS> spamassassin -t < sample-spam.txt > spam.out works as expected. OS> Any ideas? OS> spamassassin -D

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