Re: collecting mail for sa-learn, how to?

2008-07-14 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 14:11 -0400, DAve wrote: > John Hardin wrote: > > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 12:16 -0400, DAve wrote: > >> andys wrote: > >>> > >>> for a mail server running email for multiple domains what is the > >>> typical/recommended way to collect emails which arent detected as spam to > >>

Re: Is ASN information useful?

2008-07-14 Thread Chris
On Monday 14 July 2008 2:55 pm, Marc Perkel wrote: > Has anyone determined if ASN information is useful in determining if a > message is/is not spam? Don't know about useful this is, but I can get a report any time of guilty ASN's from the SpamTools scripts I run. Below is the top 10 spamming ASN'

Re: parsing original SMTP not working properly?

2008-07-14 Thread Tom Fernandes
Hi, On Tuesday, 15. July 2008, mouss wrote: > Tom Fernandes wrote: > > [snip] > > Not sure if I get your right. The way of the mail is the following: > > > > MUA (kmail) -> GMXs SMTP Server -> GMX forwards it from > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I have set it like this in my > > accoun

Re: DKIM problems

2008-07-14 Thread jdow
From: "mouss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 2008, July 14 15:39 jdow wrote: I just enabled DKIM. It "sort of works". I get this error when I run a scan but not for lint: [5340] warn: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Mail/DomainKeys/Key/Public.pm

Re: Is ASN information useful?

2008-07-14 Thread SM
At 15:14 14-07-2008, Matthias Leisi wrote: Unfortunately, it does not seem to be *that* useful: I've seen some ASNs sending spam only but I don't use that as a rule as it will catch some good mail over time. As you mentioned, the volume also depends on the size of the ASN. BTW, you won't se

Re: DKIM problems

2008-07-14 Thread mouss
jdow wrote: I just enabled DKIM. It "sort of works". I get this error when I run a scan but not for lint: [5340] warn: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Mail/DomainKeys/Key/Public.pm line 67. This is DomainKeys, not DKIM. The DKIM module supports both

Re: parsing original SMTP not working properly?

2008-07-14 Thread mouss
Tom Fernandes wrote: [snip] Not sure if I get your right. The way of the mail is the following: MUA (kmail) -> GMXs SMTP Server -> GMX forwards it from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (I have set it like this in my account preferences at GMX) -> fdm (which is a similar to fetchmail) fet

DKIM problems

2008-07-14 Thread jdow
I just enabled DKIM. It "sort of works". I get this error when I run a scan but not for lint: [5340] warn: Use of uninitialized value in string eq at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/Mail/DomainKeys/Key/Public.pm line 67. init.pre now contains # DKIM pligin # loadplugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plug

Re: Is ASN information useful?

2008-07-14 Thread Matthias Leisi
Marc Perkel schrieb: Has anyone determined if ASN information is useful in determining if a message is/is not spam? Unfortunately, it does not seem to be *that* useful: http://matthias.leisi.net/archives/176-Where-does-your-spam-come-from.html -- Matthias

Re: parsing original SMTP not working properly?

2008-07-14 Thread Tom Fernandes
Hi, On Monday, 14. July 2008, mouss wrote: > Tom Fernandes wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I might have hitten a bug in the way SA parses out the original SMTP > > host. I send and email from my mail client (to myself) through the SMTP > > server of GMX. SA thinks the Mail was sent directly from my compute

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread Wil Decius
> Just for S&Gs, try changing that "whitelist_from_spf [EMAIL PROTECTED]" > to a "def_whitelist_from_spf [EMAIL PROTECTED]" That made some sense to me to try! But, unfortunately, still no change. > One other possibility, it may be due to issues parsing the > "Received:" header that your MTA add

Re: sare rules?

2008-07-14 Thread Sahil Tandon
On Jul 14, 2008, at 13:01, "Skip Brott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This was probably discussed at some point, but I haven't been getting emails from the list for some time. The dates I see on all my sare rule sets are in January when I moved to 3.2.4. My updates_spamassassin_org.cf file i

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread David B Funk
On Mon, 14 Jul 2008, Wil Decius wrote: > > Try adding > > > > envelope_sender_header Return-Path > > I added that as well -- no difference. > > Using the "manual debug" output from above, I noticed, > > [7562] dbg: spf: def_whitelist_from_spf: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is > not in DEF_WHITELIST_FROM_SPF >

RE: Is ASN information useful?

2008-07-14 Thread James Pratt
> -Original Message- > From: Marc Perkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:55 PM > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Is ASN information useful? > > Has anyone determined if ASN information is useful in determining if a > message is/is not spam? Apparentl

Is ASN information useful?

2008-07-14 Thread Marc Perkel
Has anyone determined if ASN information is useful in determining if a message is/is not spam?

Re: parsing original SMTP not working properly?

2008-07-14 Thread mouss
Tom Fernandes wrote: Hi, I might have hitten a bug in the way SA parses out the original SMTP host. I send and email from my mail client (to myself) through the SMTP server of GMX. SA thinks the Mail was sent directly from my computer (i.e. my dsl-routers IP) without using GMXs SMTP server.

parsing original SMTP not working properly?

2008-07-14 Thread Tom Fernandes
Hi, I might have hitten a bug in the way SA parses out the original SMTP host. I send and email from my mail client (to myself) through the SMTP server of GMX. SA thinks the Mail was sent directly from my computer (i.e. my dsl-routers IP) without using GMXs SMTP server. SPF_FAIL, RCVD_IN_PBL RB

Re: collecting mail for sa-learn, how to?

2008-07-14 Thread DAve
John Hardin wrote: On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 12:16 -0400, DAve wrote: andys wrote: Hi, for a mail server running email for multiple domains what is the typical/recommended way to collect emails which arent detected as spam to be processed by sa-learn? Users are downloading mail via POP3, so once a

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread Wil Decius
> It's REALLY shooting in the dark beause it indicates a possibly broken > parser, but, I'm inclined to suggest that as quoted he has a lead blank > in front of his whitelist_from_spf entry. > > I'd also retype it to make sre there are no messed up characters line > a 0xa0 space in there. (I also f

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread mouss
jdow wrote: From: "John Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 2008, July 14 09:30 On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 08:14 -0700, Wil Decius wrote: > Are you sure you're checking the correct config file? Yes. From the debug output, [7596] dbg: config: using "/etc/mail/spamassassin" for site rules di

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread jdow
From: "John Hardin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 2008, July 14 09:30 On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 08:14 -0700, Wil Decius wrote: > Are you sure you're checking the correct config file? Yes. From the debug output, [7596] dbg: config: using "/etc/mail/spamassassin" for site rules dir [7596] dbg:

sare rules?

2008-07-14 Thread Skip Brott
This was probably discussed at some point, but I haven't been getting emails from the list for some time. The dates I see on all my sare rule sets are in January when I moved to 3.2.4. My updates_spamassassin_org.cf file is dated June 17. I debugged saupdate and this appears correct. But rece

Simple rule to score based on number of recipients

2008-07-14 Thread vgrig_us
Hello to all... Due to social engineering attacks, we have a real for simple rule that'll add score based on number of recipients on our outgoing servers. I tried to find something like that in standard SA rules, but didn't see anything... Has anyone on this least done that? Any standard rule th

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread Wil Decius
> That's the sitewide config file, though, and the debug output explicitly > says "[EMAIL PROTECTED] is not in >>user's<< > WHITELIST_FROM_SPF". Ok. I'm not sure what to do about that -- I'm only reporting what I see. There is only ONE local.cf on this box.

Re: collecting mail for sa-learn, how to?

2008-07-14 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 12:16 -0400, DAve wrote: > andys wrote: > > Hi, > > > > for a mail server running email for multiple domains what is the > > typical/recommended way to collect emails which arent detected as spam to > > be processed by sa-learn? Users are downloading mail via POP3, so once a

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 08:14 -0700, Wil Decius wrote: > > Are you sure you're checking the correct config file? > > Yes. From the debug output, > > [7596] dbg: config: using "/etc/mail/spamassassin" for site rules dir > [7596] dbg: config: read file /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf > > Which is

Re: collecting mail for sa-learn, how to?

2008-07-14 Thread DAve
andys wrote: Hi, for a mail server running email for multiple domains what is the typical/recommended way to collect emails which arent detected as spam to be processed by sa-learn? Users are downloading mail via POP3, so once a users sees a mail and decides that it is in fact spam its already b

collecting mail for sa-learn, how to?

2008-07-14 Thread andys
Hi, for a mail server running email for multiple domains what is the typical/recommended way to collect emails which arent detected as spam to be processed by sa-learn? Users are downloading mail via POP3, so once a users sees a mail and decides that it is in fact spam its already been removed fr

Re: collecting mail for sa-learn, how to?

2008-07-14 Thread Diego Pomatta
andys escribió: Hi, for a mail server running email for multiple domains what is the typical/recommended way to collect emails which arent detected as spam to be processed by sa-learn? Users are downloading mail via POP3, so once a users sees a mail and decides that it is in fact spam its al

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread Wil Decius
> Are you sure you're checking the correct config file? Yes. From the debug output, [7596] dbg: config: using "/etc/mail/spamassassin" for site rules dir [7596] dbg: config: read file /etc/mail/spamassassin/local.cf Which is the file I'm editing. In any case, other changes to it get picked up

Re: collecting mail for sa-learn, how to?

2008-07-14 Thread Stefan Jakobs
On Monday 14 July 2008 16:27, John Hardin wrote: > On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 15:48 +0200, Stefan Jakobs wrote: > > On Friday 11 July 2008 17:29, andys wrote: > > > for a mail server running email for multiple domains what is the > > > typical/recommended way to collect emails which arent detected as

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 06:49 -0700, Wil Decius wrote: > [7562] dbg: spf: whitelist_from_spf: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not > in user's WHITELIST_FROM_SPF ^^^ > but checking again in "local.cf" > > grep technologyladder.com local.cf > whitelist_from_spf [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Apparently

Re: collecting mail for sa-learn, how to?

2008-07-14 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 15:48 +0200, Stefan Jakobs wrote: > On Friday 11 July 2008 17:29, andys wrote: > > for a mail server running email for multiple domains what is the > > typical/recommended way to collect emails which arent detected as spam to > > be processed by sa-learn? Users are download

Re: collecting mail for sa-learn, how to?

2008-07-14 Thread Stefan Jakobs
On Friday 11 July 2008 17:29, andys wrote: > Hi, Hello, > for a mail server running email for multiple domains what is the > typical/recommended way to collect emails which arent detected as spam to > be processed by sa-learn? Users are downloading mail via POP3, so once a > users sees a mail a

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread Wil Decius
> Try adding > > envelope_sender_header Return-Path I added that as well -- no difference. Using the "manual debug" output from above, I noticed, [7562] dbg: spf: def_whitelist_from_spf: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not in DEF_WHITELIST_FROM_SPF [7562] dbg: spf: whitelist_from_spf: [EMAIL PROTECTED] is

Suggestion for Freemail Plugin Enhancements

2008-07-14 Thread Marc Perkel
May I suggest that the test for reply_to and email addresses in the body of the email be separate routins and separate rules and separate scores. Also perhaps there should be a rule to see if the from is freemail but no freemail in received headers. For example, from is yahoo.com but no yahoo h

collecting mail for sa-learn, how to?

2008-07-14 Thread andys
Hi, for a mail server running email for multiple domains what is the typical/recommended way to collect emails which arent detected as spam to be processed by sa-learn? Users are downloading mail via POP3, so once a users sees a mail and decides that it is in fact spam its already been remove

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread Henrik K
On Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 06:08:30AM -0700, Wil Decius wrote: > > Answering my own observation this seems to work with my fetchmail based > > system: > > > > always_trust_envelope_sender 1 > > Adding that line to my local.cf has no apparent effect -- at least on > messages from the sender. They're

RE: sa-addon-stats.pl

2008-07-14 Thread Bowie Bailey
Bill Randle wrote: > On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 16:52 -0500, Chris wrote: > > Bowie, you wrote this script back in 2006, I've been running it > > since back in Aug 0f 2006 and today just noticed something. The > > addition doesn't seem to be quite right. For instance: > > > > FreeMail.cf: > > Rule N

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread Wil Decius
> Answering my own observation this seems to work with my fetchmail based > system: > > always_trust_envelope_sender 1 Adding that line to my local.cf has no apparent effect -- at least on messages from the sender. They're still Passing SPF, but NOT getting whitelisted.

Re: spam getting through because of bayes confidence

2008-07-14 Thread Matthias Leisi
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kathryn Kleinschafer schrieb: | Am I supposed to reload a service or is there something else I have missed? Yes, every change to a *.cf or *.pre file requires a restart of spamd (as opposed to the standalone "spamassassin" binary, which will read

Re: spam getting through because of bayes confidence

2008-07-14 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 10.07.08 13:49, Kathryn Kleinschafer wrote: > I have some spam coming into the system that seems to be only going to a > couple of domains. > The bayes confidence is 0-1% for the spam so it is getting a -2.6. It is > hitting on the following rules > -2.60 BAYES_00Bayesian spam

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread jdow
From: "jdow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, 2008, July 14 01:18 From: "Wil Decius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 2008, July 13 18:20 if mail contains Received headers indicating that mail was forwarded by a trusted hop (a hop is not necessarily a box. it may be a proxy, an MTA instan

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread ram
On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 07:06 -0700, Wil Decius wrote: > I'm trying to get Spamassassin local configuration setup to > whitleist-by-SPF. The box, as delivered to me, runs Debian with > > spamassassin -V > SpamAssassin version 3.2.5-r609689 > running on Perl version 5.8.8 > > In local.cf I'

Re: SPF-check works, but Whitelist-by-SPF does not

2008-07-14 Thread jdow
From: "Wil Decius" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, 2008, July 13 18:20 if mail contains Received headers indicating that mail was forwarded by a trusted hop (a hop is not necessarily a box. it may be a proxy, an MTA instance, ... etc), then addresses may have been rewritten and are thus "untr