Re: Using Mail::SpamAssassin::Client

2009-04-05 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 02/04/2009 10:01 AM, Justin Mason wrote: > we should probably remove that warning. it's been stable (at least in the > sense of the code not changing) for a long time now! +1 -- I've been using M::SA::Client on my clusters (processing many millions of messages a day) for more than 4 years with

Re: Near capitable punishment for all capitals?

2009-04-05 Thread Matt Kettler
Mark wrote: > > Just noticed this on spam: > > > > 2.1 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals > > > > I know I can change scores at will, of course, > > but a default of 2.1, that seems a mite excessive, no? > > > > - Mark > 2.1 is quite low compared to the default required_score

Re: Near capitable punishment for all capitals?

2009-04-05 Thread RW
On Sun, 05 Apr 2009 22:48:50 GMT Mark wrote: > 2.1 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals > > > > I know I can change scores at will, of course, > > but a default of 2.1, that seems a mite excessive, no? Seems reasonable to me, and it's not as if someone just thought it up.

Near capitable punishment for all capitals?

2009-04-05 Thread Mark
Just noticed this on spam: 2.1 SUBJ_ALL_CAPS Subject is all capitals I know I can change scores at will, of course, but a default of 2.1, that seems a mite excessive, no? - Mark

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Sun, April 5, 2009 12:41, Jeremy Morton wrote: > I'm not quite sure what they mean by 'return address'; do they mean > the From: field? Return-Path != From > If so, all the backscatter I'm getting has a From: address might be the sender, but not always > so none of it would be considered bo

Re: need help - procmail & spamassassin

2009-04-05 Thread LuKreme
On 5-Apr-2009, at 06:07, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: On 05.04.09 01:56, sebast...@debianfan.de wrote: i am filtering mails with spamassassin & procmail. [...] :0: * ^X-Spam-Level: .*\(\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* Maildir/10/new Maildir/10/new is not a maildir, is it? Maildir/10/ may be a maildir,

Re: RFC's suck

2009-04-05 Thread Kenneth Porter
--On Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:11 PM +0100 Nix wrote: I hasten to point out (a little late) that the talk itself was excellent and hiliarious, but that you need excellent eyes or telepathy to grasp it all without the slides. Agreed. The presenter is very entertaining and the poor quality of

Re: need help - procmail & spamassassin

2009-04-05 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
> i am filtering mails with spamassassin & procmail. > 10 or more --> directory 10 > 9 --> directory 9 > > and so one > > But - nothing happens - the mails are all in the /Maildir/new directory Given your last recipe, Maildir/new isn't a directory but an mbox formatted file. Was that a stra

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 11:20 +0100, Jeremy Morton wrote: > Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > > whitelist_bounce_relays your.outgoing.smtp > > > > See the VBounce documentation [2] and 20_vbounce.cf on your machine. > > Simply define all your outgoing SMTP servers to enable the VBounce > > plugin and re

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Sun, 2009-04-05 at 11:12 +0100, Jeremy Morton wrote: > Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > > ok_locales en# all Western char sets in general > > Maybe this is just the docs being worded badly, but it looks like that > simply marks en charset mail as being not spam... it doesn't > automatically

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Hmm, not sure why my Spamassassin isn't detecting it as spam then. How do I set Spamassassin to give me a full spam analysis header even when the message isn't detected as spam? As you can see it just gives me a 'X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7'. Best regards, Jeremy Morton (Jez) mouss wrote:

Re: simple script idea for checking reputation disagreement

2009-04-05 Thread mouss
Neil Schwartzman a écrit : > On 05/04/09 7:28 AM, "mouss" wrote: > >>> personally, i say spam > >> metoo. take a look at their web sites: >> http://www.rodale.com >> http://www.prevention.com >> http://www.menshealth.com >> http://www.biggestloserclub.com >> lose what? >> >> (on the other hand,

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread mouss
Jeremy Morton a écrit : > [snip] > Examples of a couple of the type of bouncebacks I get: > http://www.game-point.net/misc/bb1.txt This one is not a "conformant" bounce. but this doesn't matter. it is detected as spam by SA: Content analysis details: (10.5 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name

Re: simple script idea for checking reputation disagreement

2009-04-05 Thread Neil Schwartzman
On 05/04/09 7:28 AM, "mouss" wrote: >> personally, i say spam > metoo. take a look at their web sites: > http://www.rodale.com > http://www.prevention.com > http://www.menshealth.com > http://www.biggestloserclub.com > lose what? > > (on the other hand, runningtimes.com and runnersworld.com may

RE: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Mark
-Original Message- From: Jeremy Morton [mailto:ad...@game-point.net] Sent: zondag 5 april 2009 13:44 To: mouss+nob...@netoyen.net Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Ways to block bouncebacks? > Examples of a couple of the type of bouncebacks I get: > > http://www.game-point.ne

RE: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Mark
-Original Message- From: Jeremy Morton [mailto:ad...@game-point.net] Sent: zondag 5 april 2009 12:36 To: SM Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Ways to block bouncebacks? > Unless I'm missing something, this is going to be utterly useless for > me. Wikipedia says: "E-mail that

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Duane Hill
On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Jeremy Morton wrote: mouss wrote: Jeremy Morton a ?crit : mouss wrote: the recipient of the bounce is the sender of the original message. so if you use BATV, you could block bounces sent to a non BATV address. Again, maybe I'm missing something here, but let's go back to

Re: need help - procmail & spamassassin

2009-04-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 05.04.09 01:56, sebast...@debianfan.de wrote: > i am filtering mails with spamassassin & procmail. [...] > :0: > * ^X-Spam-Level: .*\(\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\* > Maildir/10/new Maildir/10/new is not a maildir, is it? Maildir/10/ may be a maildir, if it is, use Maildir/10/, don't add /new there. --

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
> >>1. Is it possible to have a Spamassassin rule that considers subjects > >>that contain a character glyph not used by the English or French > >>languages (obviously punctuation, numbers, and some other stuff would > >>also be allowed) to be spam? > Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: > >ok_locales en

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
mouss wrote: Jeremy Morton a écrit : mouss wrote: the recipient of the bounce is the sender of the original message. so if you use BATV, you could block bounces sent to a non BATV address. Again, maybe I'm missing something here, but let's go back to basics; how do I identify a 'bounce' messag

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Mark wrote: -Original Message- From: Jeremy Morton [mailto:ad...@game-point.net] Sent: zondag 5 april 2009 11:54 To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Ways to block bouncebacks? Again, I ask, what does SRS do to deal with bouncebacks that don't have the SRS info in the To addre

RE: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Mark
-Original Message- From: Jeremy Morton [mailto:ad...@game-point.net] Sent: zondag 5 april 2009 11:54 To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Ways to block bouncebacks? > Again, I ask, what does SRS do to deal with bouncebacks that don't have > the SRS info in the To address? They w

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread mouss
Jeremy Morton a écrit : > mouss wrote: >> the recipient of the bounce is the sender of the original message. so if >> you use BATV, you could block bounces sent to a non BATV address. > > Again, maybe I'm missing something here, but let's go back to basics; > how do I identify a 'bounce' message?

Re: simple script idea for checking reputation disagreement

2009-04-05 Thread mouss
RobertH a écrit : > > >>> 0.2 RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL RBL: SORBS: sent directly from >> dynamic IP >>> address >>> [209.92.22.130 listed in >> dnsbl.sorbs.net] >> >> That would be incorrect. The IP is static, not dynamic. >> >> whois://209.92.22@whois.arin.net

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
mouss wrote: the recipient of the bounce is the sender of the original message. so if you use BATV, you could block bounces sent to a non BATV address. Again, maybe I'm missing something here, but let's go back to basics; how do I identify a 'bounce' message? There seems to be no standard for

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread mouss
Jeremy Morton a écrit : > Unless I'm missing something, this is going to be utterly useless for > me. Wikipedia says: > "E-mail that is being bounced back should have an empty (null) return > address so that bounces are never created for a bounce and therefore you > can't get messages bouncing bac

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Unless I'm missing something, this is going to be utterly useless for me. Wikipedia says: "E-mail that is being bounced back should have an empty (null) return address so that bounces are never created for a bounce and therefore you can't get messages bouncing back and forth forever." I'm not

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread SM
At 02:59 05-04-2009, Jeremy Morton wrote: Well, as far as I can tell from that document, SRS is great at saying, "yep, this is a legit bounce message". But, if SRS says it doesn't seem to be, aren't you rather back at square 1? A message that looks like a regular e-mail, doesn't really have a

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: [...] 2. Is there a Spamassassin rule that tries to catch any bounceback message (unfortunately in any language, I am getting bounceback messages in most languages known to mankind) to be spam? whitelist_bounce_relays your.outgoing.smtp See the VBounce documentation

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: 1. Is it possible to have a Spamassassin rule that considers subjects that contain a character glyph not used by the English or French languages (obviously punctuation, numbers, and some other stuff would also be allowed) to be spam? ok_locales en# all Western cha

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Again, I ask, what does SRS do to deal with bouncebacks that don't have the SRS info in the To address? They would just then appear as regular e-mail messages, no? Best regards, Jeremy Morton (Jez) Mark wrote: -Original Message- From: LuKreme [mailto:krem...@kreme.com] Sent: zaterdag

Re: Ways to block bouncebacks?

2009-04-05 Thread Jeremy Morton
Well, as far as I can tell from that document, SRS is great at saying, "yep, this is a legit bounce message". But, if SRS says it doesn't seem to be, aren't you rather back at square 1? A message that looks like a regular e-mail, doesn't really have any spam characteristics (Viagra, etc., jus