Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Steve Ingraham wrote: > In 2) above you are telling me that 5.0 and even 2.5 is way too high. Yes. Those are way too high. > So what should it be? It should be zero. This is the default. In other words do *not* set it at all in your files. > Again I do not understand the string of numbers th

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-10 Thread Bob Proulx
Steve Ingraham wrote: > My changes were done in the local.cf file so I am not familiar with the > scores you show above. Those are the default scores. If your scores are different then it is a local modification. In other words this says not to blame spamassassin for local changes. > Can you te

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-10 Thread Jim Maul
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: Steve Ingraham wrote: I have already decreased the Bayes_50_Body rule from 5.0 to 2.5. I don't want to decrease the scores with every Bayes rule because I think I will start seeing some true spam delivered because it did not score high. Any ideas? Daryl wrote: Don

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-09 Thread Jeff Chan
On Friday, November 3, 2006, 10:45:42 AM, Péntek Imre wrote: > Jim Maul wrote: >> Are you using network tests, razor, surbl, add on rules from sare, etc? > I can just guess, as I don't know how to get to be sure. > I can find several spams marked with: > RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET > UNPARSEABLE_RELAY >

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Steve Ingraham wrote: I have already decreased the Bayes_50_Body rule from 5.0 to 2.5. I don't want to decrease the scores with every Bayes rule because I think I will start seeing some true spam delivered because it did not score high. Any ideas? Daryl wrote: Don't screw with the bayes sco

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-09 Thread Jon Trulson
On Thu, 9 Nov 2006, Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: Steve Ingraham wrote: I have already decreased the Bayes_50_Body rule from 5.0 to 2.5. I don't want to decrease the scores with every Bayes rule because I think I will start seeing some true spam delivered because it did not score high. Any ideas

RE: Bayesian scores

2006-11-09 Thread Steve Ingraham
On Thursday 09 November 2006 22:14, Steve Ingraham took the opportunity to say: > Ok, I have a question on these Bayes rules related to false positives. > It appears that many of my users are having legitimate emails scored in > the 8 to 9 range. These emails are scoring high basically because

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-09 Thread Magnus Holmgren
On Thursday 09 November 2006 22:14, Steve Ingraham took the opportunity to say: > Ok, I have a question on these Bayes rules related to false positives. > It appears that many of my users are having legitimate emails scored in > the 8 to 9 range. These emails are scoring high basically because t

RE: Bayesian scores

2006-11-09 Thread Steve Ingraham
> I have already decreased the Bayes_50_Body rule from 5.0 to 2.5. I > don't want to decrease the scores with every Bayes rule because I think > I will start seeing some true spam delivered because it did not score > high. > > Any ideas? Daryl wrote: Don't screw with the bayes scoring that drast

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Steve Ingraham wrote: I have already decreased the Bayes_50_Body rule from 5.0 to 2.5. I don't want to decrease the scores with every Bayes rule because I think I will start seeing some true spam delivered because it did not score high. Any ideas? Don't screw with the bayes scoring that dras

RE: Bayesian scores

2006-11-09 Thread Steve Ingraham
>>> Hello, >>> Why BAYES_99 have only the score 3.5 while 5.0 is required to identify a >>>mail >>> as spam? I think this rule should have a score about 5.1 (or anything >>>greater >>> than 5.0). >>> Because it's baye_99 not bayes_100. >>> ie: it's not 100% accurate. > FWIW, I increased m

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-09 Thread Jon Trulson
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006, Matt Kettler wrote: Péntek Imre wrote: Hello, Why BAYES_99 have only the score 3.5 while 5.0 is required to identify a mail as spam? I think this rule should have a score about 5.1 (or anything greater than 5.0). Because it's baye_99 not bayes_100. ie: it's not 100% accu

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-03 Thread jdow
From: "Jim Maul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Péntek Imre wrote: Jim Maul wrote: I've upped the scores on almost all bayes rules here because history has shown it to be incredibly accurate here. Yes. BTW so far I've got no FP but still get false negatives with score 3.5, BAYES_99, using this database:

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-03 Thread jdow
Modify the score if you think that is appropriate. (I do. I score it at 5.1. The .1 is so I can be obnoxious in arguments about this, like the argument which may start with your message.) If you Bayes is VERY well trained with VERY few hams that come in BAYES_99, like 1 in 1000 or less, t

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-03 Thread Matt Kettler
Péntek Imre wrote: > Hello, > > Why BAYES_99 have only the score 3.5 while 5.0 is required to identify a mail > as spam? I think this rule should have a score about 5.1 (or anything greater > than 5.0). > Because it's baye_99 not bayes_100. ie: it's not 100% accurate.

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-03 Thread Péntek Imre
Jim Maul wrote: > I am not sure. It would seem so to me. Make sure you do not have -L > being passed when starting spamd. I've started reading that wikipage, so now I can test for sure: $ spamassassin -t -D < spam > output 2>&1 $ grep network output [6639] dbg: pyzor: network tests on, attempting

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-03 Thread Jim Maul
Péntek Imre wrote: Jim Maul wrote: Are you using network tests, razor, surbl, add on rules from sare, etc? I can just guess, as I don't know how to get to be sure. I can find several spams marked with: RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET UNPARSEABLE_RELAY URIBL_AB_SURB Are these mean I also use network test

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-03 Thread Péntek Imre
Jim Maul wrote: > Are you using network tests, razor, surbl, add on rules from sare, etc? I can just guess, as I don't know how to get to be sure. I can find several spams marked with: RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET UNPARSEABLE_RELAY URIBL_AB_SURB Are these mean I also use network tests? As I see I don't u

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-03 Thread Jim Maul
Péntek Imre wrote: Jim Maul wrote: I've upped the scores on almost all bayes rules here because history has shown it to be incredibly accurate here. Yes. BTW so far I've got no FP but still get false negatives with score 3.5, BAYES_99, using this database: [5816] dbg: bayes: corpus size: nspam

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-03 Thread Péntek Imre
Jim Maul wrote: > I've upped the scores on almost all bayes rules here because history has > shown it to be incredibly accurate here. Yes. BTW so far I've got no FP but still get false negatives with score 3.5, BAYES_99, using this database: [5816] dbg: bayes: corpus size: nspam = 2757, nham = 140

Re: Bayesian scores

2006-11-03 Thread Jim Maul
Péntek Imre wrote: Hello, Why BAYES_99 have only the score 3.5 while 5.0 is required to identify a mail as spam? I think this rule should have a score about 5.1 (or anything greater than 5.0). because if its wrong in its classification, then that 1 rule alone will cause a FP. The whole ide

Bayesian scores

2006-11-03 Thread Péntek Imre
Hello, Why BAYES_99 have only the score 3.5 while 5.0 is required to identify a mail as spam? I think this rule should have a score about 5.1 (or anything greater than 5.0). -- With regards: Imre Péntek E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]