Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-11 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-01-08 10:12:28, schrieb Joseph Brennan: I don't understand how refusing after MAIL could take 6 times as much resources as accepting the message. By refusing, you don't receive the message body and you don't have to output the message to a mailer. That has to use less resources than

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-08 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-01-02 10:14:51, schrieb Kelson: Actually, it's still going on, but it doesn't have much of an impact since the server rejects unknown recipients right away. Here too, but it eats nearly 100% of System- and CPU-Resources... It might be worth looking for a couple of addresses that get

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-08 Thread Joseph Brennan
Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since the server rejects unknown recipients right away. Here too, but it eats nearly 100% of System- and CPU-Resources... It might be worth looking for a couple of addresses that get hit repeatedly and temporarily activating them I have tried

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-08 Thread Bookworm
Joseph Brennan wrote: Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since the server rejects unknown recipients right away. Here too, but it eats nearly 100% of System- and CPU-Resources... It might be worth looking for a couple of addresses that get hit repeatedly and temporarily activating

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-02 Thread Kelson
Mike Cisar wrote: Since about the 26th of Dec I've had one particular mailserver that has been dealing with a constant stream of crap... all emails to unknown users, all of the email addresses seem consistent (either 3 'syllables'... an uppercased 'syllable', a lowercased 'syllable' and another

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-01 Thread mouss
Matthias Schmidt wrote: Happy New Year everyone :-) Am/On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 04:20:42 +0100 schrieb/wrote mouss: John D. Hardin wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Mike Cisar wrote: Even tried yanking the IP address off of the server over the holidays in the hope that whatever

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-01 Thread Theodoros V. Kalamatianos
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, mouss wrote: Matthias Schmidt wrote: best wishes to everybody, even spam senders ;-p (but spam won't be tolerated, even today!). Dunno about you, but after a significant increase in greeting card spam today I had to rescind any wishes towards spammers that got away from

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-01 Thread John D. Hardin
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, mouss wrote: John D. Hardin wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Mike Cisar wrote: Even tried yanking the IP address off of the server over the holidays in the hope that whatever it was would just give up. No such luck, within a minute of reactivating the IP to the

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-01 Thread hamann . w
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, mouss wrote: John D. Hardin wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Mike Cisar wrote: Even tried yanking the IP address off of the server over the holidays in the hope that whatever it was would just give up. No such luck, within a minute of reactivating the IP

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-01 Thread mouss
John D. Hardin wrote: On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, mouss wrote: Tarpitting may not be the right answer, because they have a lot more resources than us I may have misunderstood what Mike was saying in his original post - I thought that the traffic was originating from a single IP and that

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-01 Thread John D. Hardin
On 1 Jan 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, labrea may be great software ... but it is certainly not the software one wants to compete with a live machine for incoming connections. The way I run it, the IP addresses being tarpitted are IP addresses that would be rejected anyway by zen et.

RE: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-01 Thread Robert - elists
When I say tarpit I don't mean an MTA-native slow the SMTP conversation down model, I mean a genuine TCP tarpit that plays games with window sizes to trap the attacker - that's what LaBrea does. I don't think the MTA should be tasked with tarpitting. Tarpitting is a job for a dedicated

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-01 Thread hamann . w
However, labrea may be great software ... but it is certainly not the software one wants to compete with a live machine for incoming connections. The way I run it, the IP addresses being tarpitted are IP addresses that would be rejected anyway by zen et. al. DNSBL checks - they are

RE: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-01 Thread John D. Hardin
On Tue, 1 Jan 2008, Robert - elists wrote: When I say tarpit I don't mean an MTA-native slow the SMTP conversation down model, I mean a genuine TCP tarpit that plays games with window sizes to trap the attacker - that's what LaBrea does. I don't think the MTA should be tasked with

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-01 Thread John D. Hardin
On 1 Jan 2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe I misread the laBrea docs that talk about capturing unused ip Could you show me configuration you use for labrea There are some patches you need to apply to use LaBrea this way. See http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=70896atid=529395

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-01 Thread alex
why not use something like this that rejects ip blocks at the MTA level http://us.trendmicro.com/us/products/enterprise/network-reputation-services/index.html it blocks anything on the DUL list which is a list the isp's put out of which ip's shouldn't be sending mail. the reject messages look

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2008-01-01 Thread mouss
alex wrote: why not use something like this that rejects ip blocks at the MTA level http://us.trendmicro.com/us/products/enterprise/network-reputation-services/index.html it blocks anything on the DUL list which is a list the isp's put out of which ip's shouldn't be sending mail. the

DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2007-12-31 Thread Mike Cisar
Hi All, A bit off topic since the users are all unknown so the traffic never makes it to my spamassassin. But I am hoping that someone here may have seen the same thing and have a solution for making the problem go-away :-) I'm not sure whether it's supposed to be a DDOS attack, a dictionary

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2007-12-31 Thread Bookworm
Mike Cisar wrote: Hi All, A bit off topic since the users are all unknown so the traffic never makes it to my spamassassin. But I am hoping that someone here may have seen the same thing and have a solution for making the problem go-away :-) I'm not sure whether it's supposed to be a DDOS

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2007-12-31 Thread John D. Hardin
On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Mike Cisar wrote: Even tried yanking the IP address off of the server over the holidays in the hope that whatever it was would just give up. No such luck, within a minute of reactivating the IP to the server this morning the traffic was back to full flow. Tarpit 'em.

RE: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2007-12-31 Thread Mike Cisar
I'm not sure whether it's supposed to be a DDOS attack, a dictionary attack, bunch-o-bots or what. Since about the 26th of Dec I've had one particular mailserver that has been dealing with a constant stream of crap... That is, if a specific IP address tries sending to bad users more

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2007-12-31 Thread Joseph Brennan
Mike Cisar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They don't seem to be coming from any consistent IP address (or region). Problem is of course that the mailserver's connections get tied up processing rejecting this crap (and of course it's chewing up my transfer allocation bit by tiny bit). The addresses

RE: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2007-12-31 Thread Joseph Brennan
--On Monday, December 31, 2007 4:00 PM -0700 Mike Cisar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I haven't counted, but based on the flow, I'd estimate I've seen about 1000 distinct IP's... that is what leads me to believe it's some sort of distributed attack. There are some repeat recipients, from

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2007-12-31 Thread mouss
John D. Hardin wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Mike Cisar wrote: Even tried yanking the IP address off of the server over the holidays in the hope that whatever it was would just give up. No such luck, within a minute of reactivating the IP to the server this morning the traffic was back to

Re: DDOS, Dictionary Attack... not sure what it is...

2007-12-31 Thread Matthias Schmidt
Happy New Year everyone :-) Am/On Tue, 1 Jan 2008 04:20:42 +0100 schrieb/wrote mouss: John D. Hardin wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007, Mike Cisar wrote: Even tried yanking the IP address off of the server over the holidays in the hope that whatever it was would just give up. No such luck,