Chris Santerre wrote:
I see this argument a lot. IMHO if you can't wait 30 minutes for an email,
then you should be using a phone, fax, or a car to drive over and talk to
the person.
I agree with that.
My boss accepts it, though I'm not sure she agrees.
Some of those above her have have othe
Giampaolo Tomassoni wrote:
Which kind of algorithm you use for address "massacring"?
To see it in context, read the code at
http://whatever.frukt.org/mimedefangfilter.text.shtml
The following sub routine is the main part of the mail address changing:
---8<---
sub greylist_strip_mail($$$) {
Jo Rhett wrote:
Chris Santerre wrote:
But if you rely on email for time sensitive info you best rethink
what you are doing :)
Text messages don't provide authentication, validation nor archival.
E-mail can provide both.
Email does a lousy job at authentication (over the full path, not
Chris Santerre wrote:
But if you rely on email for time sensitive info you best rethink
what you are doing :)
Text messages don't provide authentication, validation nor archival.
E-mail can provide both.
I agree that people should be more patient, but when e-mail works as
well as it doe
Chris Santerre wrote:
But if you rely on email for time sensitive info you best rethink
what you are doing :)
Regardless of your perspective, Chris, the fact is that most people have
come to expect email to be as reliable and instantaneous as making a
phone call. In one sense that's a tr
Title: RE: How to filter these spam messages
> -Original Message-
> From: Jonas Eckerman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:08 AM
> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
> Subject: Re: How to filter these spam messages
>
>
>
Jonas Eckerman wrote:
R Lists06 wrote:
A minute or two delay from grelisting matters that much
Greylisting usually delay a mail for more than two minutes (when it
delays, a good implementation can excempt most mail from the delay after
a while).
Even if the greylist implementation onl
> We also massacre the sender address a bit so that for most
> mailing lists only the first mail to a recipient is delayed.
Which kind of algorithm you use for address "massacring"?
giampaolo
R Lists06 wrote:
A minute or two delay from grelisting matters that much
Greylisting usually delay a mail for more than two minutes (when it delays, a
good implementation can excempt most mail from the delay after a while).
Even if the greylist implementation only enforces a one minute d
Michael Scheidell wrote:
Someone want to explain Greylisting?
It delays any email for up to 45 mins.
Usually not that long.
In my experience a forced delay of 3 minutes and a grey period of 72 hours is
enough to stop most spam.
Granted, it then depends on the sending servers retry times, b
Gary V wrote:
uri GEOCITIES /^http:\/\/(..|www)\.geocities\.com\/+.+/i
describe GEOCITIES Geocities URL
scoreGEOCITIES 3.5
FWIW, if you process large quantities of mail, scoring on just the
Geocities URI itself *will* cause a significant number of false positives
even at scores as
Gary V wrote:
body GV_MAKE_K / how to (generate|make) 1\.5 - 3\.5k /
score GV_MAKE_K 3.5
uri GEOCITIES /^http:\/\/(..|www)\.geocities\.com\/+.+/i
describe GEOCITIES Geocities URL
scoreGEOCITIES 3.5
FWIW, if you process large quantities of mail, scoring on just the
Geocities URI itse
Why can't we simply have a new ruleset to score these short spam messages
higher?
-Simon
I'm not good at creating rules, but these work, and should help a little:
body GV_MAKE_K / how to (generate|make) 1\.5 - 3\.5k /
score GV_MAKE_K 3.5
uri GEOCITIES /^http:\/\/(..|www)\.geocities\.com
Why can't we simply have a new ruleset to score these short spam messages
higher?
-Simon
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:44:58 -0600, Gary V wrote:
>
>>On Oct 16, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Simon wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>I reviewed greylisting as a solution in the past, we couldn't accept it
>>>due t
On Oct 16, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Simon wrote:
I reviewed greylisting as a solution in the past, we couldn't accept it
due to
delay and I also read not all email servers will resend properly. So
there is a
chance few legitimate emails will never get redelivered. When you are
running
a busin
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On Oct 16, 2006, at 2:27 PM, Simon wrote:
I reviewed greylisting as a solution in the past, we couldn't
accept it due to
delay and I also read not all email servers will resend properly.
So there is a
chance few legitimate emails will never ge
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On Oct 16, 2006, at 1:47 PM, Jo Rhett wrote:
Logan Shaw wrote:
I guess the problem with being an ISP is that there would be
other ISPs who would be willing to not try to adjust their
expectations and instead promise them super-speedy e-mail
delive
I'm not sure what you have defaulted on, but majority of clients I deal with
will
not accept delayed or missing emails. This is why greylisting is not an option
for a lot of us. At most, I see greylisting acceptable for noncommercial
clients,
if that, to whom email isn't crucial part of their j
On Mon, October 16, 2006 3:43 pm, R Lists06 said:
Do you really want email from a server that doesn't work right or isn't
administered as best it can be?
Daniel T. Staal wrote:
I want every legitimate email sent to me. Period. No matter how it was
sent; the sender of the email may have no id
I'm not the orginal poster, but...
On Mon, October 16, 2006 3:43 pm, R Lists06 said:
> Do you really want email from a server that doesn't work right or isn't
> administered as best it can be?
I want every legitimate email sent to me. Period. No matter how it was
sent; the sender of the email
I reviewed greylisting as a solution in the past, we couldn't accept it due to
delay and I also read not all email servers will resend properly. So there is a
chance few legitimate emails will never get redelivered. When you are running
a business shop, such delays or exceptions
Shaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: <users@spamassassin.apache.org>
>Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:47 PM
>Subject: Re: How to filter these spam messages
>
>
>> Logan Shaw wrote:
>>> I guess the problem with being an ISP is that there would be
&g
Cc:
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: How to filter these spam messages
Logan Shaw wrote:
I guess the problem with being an ISP is that there would be
other ISPs who would be willing to not try to adjust their
expectations and instead promise them super-speedy e-mail
delive
Jo Rhett wrote:
Logan Shaw wrote:
I guess the problem with being an ISP is that there would be
other ISPs who would be willing to not try to adjust their
expectations and instead promise them super-speedy e-mail
delivery in all cases. The fact that it isn't possible to
deliver on that promise m
Logan Shaw wrote:
I guess the problem with being an ISP is that there would be
other ISPs who would be willing to not try to adjust their
expectations and instead promise them super-speedy e-mail
delivery in all cases. The fact that it isn't possible to
deliver on that promise might not matter i
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006, John D. Hardin wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, Billy Huddleston wrote:
Won't work for my use.. Running SA for ISP.. Way too many
people.. Way too much volume.. People upset at the time delays
already.. which ar under 2 - 10 minutes.. Go Figure.
Adjust their expectations.
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006, Billy Huddleston wrote:
> Won't work for my use.. Running SA for ISP.. Way too many
> people.. Way too much volume.. People upset at the time delays
> already.. which ar under 2 - 10 minutes.. Go Figure.
Adjust their expectations. Email is *not* IM.
--
John Hardin KA7OHZ
On Mon, October 16, 2006 05:23, Billy Huddleston wrote:
> Won't work for my use.. Running SA for ISP.. Way too many people.. Way too
> much volume.. People upset at the time delays already.. which ar under 2 -
> 10 minutes.. Go Figure.
same people use upto 2 - 10 minutes to delete spam, Go Figu
ber 15, 2006 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: How to filter these spam messages
On 2006-10-15, Michael Scheidell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Billy Huddleston wrote:
Someone want to explain Greylisting?
It delays any email for up to 45 mins.
If the sender is running a REAL server[sic] like aol
On 2006-10-15, Michael Scheidell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Billy Huddleston wrote:
>>
>> Someone want to explain Greylisting?
> It delays any email for up to 45 mins.
> If the sender is running a REAL server[sic] like aol or yahoo, it will
> retry it.
>
> Ok if you don't mind waiting a log ti
>
> Someone want to explain Greylisting?
Here is an example that references a coupla websites
http://qmail.jms1.net/scripts/jgreylist.shtml
- rh
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Robert - Abba Communications
Computer & Internet Services
(509) 624-7159 - www.abbacomm.net
From: "Michael Scheidell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: Billy Huddleston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Someone want to explain Greylisting?
It delays any email for up to 45 mins.
If the sender is running a REAL server[sic] like aol or yahoo, it will
retry it.
Ok if you don't mind waiting a log time f
(Long answer in email sent direct.)
Short answer - SARE. Check the "Other Rules" in the side bar. Fred's
rules are generally useful. And Jennifer's are timeless and useful.
{^_^}
- Original Message -
From: "Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
What I meant to say is that, eventhough they do
> -Original Message-
> From: Billy Huddleston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:58 PM
> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
> Subject: Re: How to filter these spam messages
>
>
> Someone want to explain Greylisting?
It delays any email f
What I meant to say is that, eventhough they do get filtered, these spam messages
do not get scored high enough to offset threshold so they get marked as spam. I
will check on greylisting, but what I was really hoping for is a ruleset which helps
score these high enough so they are marked a
Google for it. LOTS OF information lives out there to find.
- Original Message -
From: "Billy Huddleston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:58
Subject: Re: How to filter these spam messages
Someone want to explain Greylisting?
-
From: "Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello,
I'm trying to figure out what to do to filter these spam messages. I can't seem
to
find a ruleset which would filter them. Perhaps I need to change something in
my configuration? any help would be appreciated, thanks!
Here are the latest spam I'm rec
Someone want to explain Greylisting?
- Original Message -
From: "Micke Andersson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc:
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: How to filter these spam messages
Try Greylisting if you are
Try Greylisting if you are admin on your own e-mail server!
That will filter most of those e-mails.
/Micke
Simon wrote:
Hello,
I'm trying to figure out what to do to filter these spam messages. I can't seem
to
find a ruleset which would filter them. Perhaps I need to change something in
my co
Yea, I was getting ready to post about the same kind of spam.. Very
obnoxious. Anyone ideas?
- Original Message -
From: "Simon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 2:29 PM
Subject: How to filter these spam messages
Hello,
I'm trying to fig
I have adopted the following policy, I run commercial free email. If it
is unsolicited
it gets blacklisted. If they want to run commercials through my email
site, I will let them,
provided they use a mailing list and the user can opt out. Random,
unsolicited emails
go in the blacklist. This
Hello,
I'm trying to figure out what to do to filter these spam messages. I can't seem
to
find a ruleset which would filter them. Perhaps I need to change something in
my configuration? any help would be appreciated, thanks!
Here are the latest spam I'm receiving:
http://optinet.com/spam.txt
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