Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-23 Thread Christian Purnomo
/.maildir/.whitespams/tmptmp/$cm; } } } } Subject: Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam? Date: Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 04:25:03PM +0100 Quoting John Hall ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): : Sadly 'script' is rather a grand term. I haven't got around to automating : things properly, so I

Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-22 Thread John Hall
Matt Yackley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Here is what I know of the issue. 1. Email that has only been stored in user mailbox and then pulled from a mailbox via IMAP/POP3 will retain the full headers of the email. 2. Email that is moved into a public folder,

Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-22 Thread Steven Dickenson
Matt Yackley wrote: 1. Email that has only been stored in user mailbox and then pulled from a mailbox via IMAP/POP3 will retain the full headers of the email. What happens if a user moves the mail item to another folder in their mailbox, and is then extracted via imap? MS is trying to

Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-22 Thread John Hall
Matt Yackley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What I've resorted to doing is to archive all incoming e-mail in my front-end MTA (exim on linux). I have a script that extracts the message-ids of the spam in the Exchange public mail box and then extracts the original

RE: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-22 Thread Ken Goods
Steven Dickenson wrote: Matt Yackley wrote: 1. Email that has only been stored in user mailbox and then pulled from a mailbox via IMAP/POP3 will retain the full headers of the email. What happens if a user moves the mail item to another folder in their mailbox, and is then extracted via

RE: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-22 Thread Kang, Joseph S.
-Original Message- From: Ken Goods [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 11:58 AM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: RE: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam? [snip] From what I've seen the raw headers are not changed with the exception

RE: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-22 Thread Matt Yackley
Kang, Joseph S. said: [snip] From what I've seen the raw headers are not changed with the exception of the MailScanner spamassassin score which may be different because of RBL-SURBL's that have picked up on it. This doesn't appear to be a problem because sa-learn ignores the spam markup

Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-22 Thread E. Falk
Hi Joe, I have seen this problem on Ex2K and Ex2K3, I don't remember if it was an issue under 5.5 or not. I have a copy of a test-imap-header.pl script written by Nick Burch that can be used to see what the headers look like after you pull a message from an IMAP folder... let me know if you

Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-21 Thread E. Falk
Easiest way to get them out of the Exchange public folder without messing up the headers is via IMAP. There are some scripts available to open the folder and read the messages (can't recall exactly where, but if you can't find them let me know and I'll pass mine onto you - they're modified

Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-21 Thread Ron Johnson
Jon Dossey writes: I'm sure a lot of us have a similar setup, linux/bsd mx gateways (running SA) relaying mail to Exchange, and Outlook clients. I'm just curious how everyone handles learning? It seems like a lot of people recommend a public folder for users to dump spam in, but how do

RE: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-21 Thread Steven Manross
Some people use various IMAP clients to do it, but I use the Outlook object model using Win32::OLE (probably because of my Windows background) and a COM object created by Dmitry Streblechenko (www.dimastr.com) called Outlook Redemption.. slightlyOT There's a charge for it's use with any

Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-21 Thread E. Falk
Jon Dossey wrote: (moved to bottom quote for you) I think I know the document you're referring to... http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/RemoteImapFolder?highlight=%28imap%2 9 My problem is I don't like my MX (sitting in DMZ's), to connect back to the Exchange server (private network) via

Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-21 Thread Ben O'Hara
On 6/21/05, E. Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Dossey wrote: (moved to bottom quote for you) I think I know the document you're referring to... http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/RemoteImapFolder?highlight=%28imap%2 9 My problem is I don't like my MX (sitting in DMZ's), to

RE: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-21 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
Ben O'Hara wrote: On 6/21/05, E. Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Dossey wrote: My problem is I don't like my MX (sitting in DMZ's), to connect back to the Exchange server (private network) via IMAP. If your MX already connects back to the exchange server via smtp/25 then what difference

Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-21 Thread Christian Purnomo
- how do you learn spam? Date: Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 02:17:13PM -0500 Quoting E. Falk ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): : Easiest way to get them out of the Exchange public folder without : messing up the headers is via IMAP. There are some scripts available to : open the folder and read the messages (can't recall

Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-21 Thread Matt Yackley
Christian Purnomo said: I have a similiar approach, I noticed though that when the email is copied across to a public folder OR an IMAP folder, the email header/body is changed with ms-application/tnef. So whatever you feed sa-learn, it's not going to be effective as the body of the email has

Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam?

2005-06-21 Thread Christian Purnomo
Hey Matt, Thanks heaps for the update. That certainly really helps my mystery! If this is the case, I will try to live with these facts! oh well *sob* Christian. Subject: Re: Exchange/Outlook - how do you learn spam? Date: Tue, Jun 21, 2005 at 10:40:00PM -0500 Quoting Matt Yackley ([EMAIL