Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-06 Thread Nix
On Thu, 02 Dec 2004, Matt Kettler stated: > Actually, In my experience, DCC contains very little solicited > bulk. It also contains much less solicited bulk mail than razor > does. This is of course completely contrary to Razor's goal of not > containing solicited email, and DCC's claim of not cari

RE: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-03 Thread Smart,Dan
I forget to be paranoid and suspicious some times. :( <> > -Original Message- > From: Chris Santerre [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:12 AM > To: Smart,Dan; users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: RE: Image

RE: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-03 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Smart,Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 9:59 AM >To: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: RE: Image Composition Analysis > > >Agree on DCC, it only tells if bulk and doesn't discriminate >on Spam

RE: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-03 Thread Smart,Dan
> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 9:18 AM > To: Matt Kettler > Cc: Smart,Dan; users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: Image Composition Analysis > > On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 07:25:45PM -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: > > Yes, but DCC is still more reliable and faster. (I

Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Matt Kettler wrote: > Actually, In my experience, DCC contains very little solicited bulk. It > also contains much less solicited bulk mail than razor does. This is of > course completely contrary to Razor's goal of not containing solicited > email, and DCC's claim of not caring. Agreed. That

Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-02 Thread Matt Kettler
At 11:29 AM 12/2/2004, Bob Proulx wrote: > DCC seems to have a large number of _solicited_ bulk email in its > database, and my users get very upset when they sign up for junk email > and it gets marked anywhere near spam. Of course DCC will contain solicited bulk email in the database! You *compl

Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-02 Thread Bob Proulx
Michael Barnes wrote: > Matt Kettler wrote: > > Yes, but DCC is still more reliable and faster. (I use both) > > I had to score DCC with 0.1 because it has way too many false positives. > [...] > DCC seems to have a large number of _solicited_ bulk email in its > database, and my users get very up

Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-02 Thread Michael Barnes
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 07:25:45PM -0500, Matt Kettler wrote: > Yes, but DCC is still more reliable and faster. (I use both) I had to score DCC with 0.1 because it has way too many false positives. My local.cf section dealing with this: # too many false posives with this guy, meta corrected belo

Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-02 Thread Michael Barnes
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 04:27:14PM -0600, Smart,Dan wrote: > Catching image only E-mail with pornographic images is really > difficult. My users are offended when they get one, and wonder how > I could not catch it. Explaining that the document was text, filled > with bayes poison, and the one po

Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-02 Thread Jeff Chan
On Wednesday, December 1, 2004, 3:25:42 PM, John Hardin wrote: > On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 14:35, Chris Santerre wrote: >> We are seeing an increase in throw away domains being used to reroute >> to other domains that will NEVER show up directly in a spam. All in >> attempts to get passed SURBL. > I'm

RE: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-01 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 14:35, Chris Santerre wrote: > We are seeing an increase in throw away domains being used to reroute > to other domains that will NEVER show up directly in a spam. All in > attempts to get passed SURBL. I'm going to bring up this idea again, in a slightly different context th

RE: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-01 Thread Chris Santerre
don't realise we know ;) --Chris >-Original Message- >From: Smart,Dan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:57 PM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: Image Composition Analysis > > >Attached is the spam that got through. I changed

Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-01 Thread jdow
X-Keywords: > X-UID: 1219 > > ====== > <> > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: John Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:45 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >

RE: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-01 Thread Smart,Dan
SARE_HTML_FSIZE_1ALL,WS_URI_RBL autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Level: * Status: RO X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1219 == <> > -Original Message- > From: John Andersen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 01,

RE: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-01 Thread Chris Santerre
>-Original Message- >From: Martin Hepworth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 4:39 AM >To: Smart,Dan >Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org >Subject: Re: Image Composition Analysis > > >Dan > >I find the surbl.org URIRBL list prov

Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-01 Thread Martin Hepworth
Dan I find the surbl.org URIRBL list provides very good protection against this kind of message, along with othe rules in www.rulesemporium.com I don't recall seeing one slip through for ages.. -- Martin Hepworth Snr Systems Administrator Solid State Logic Tel: +44 (0)1865 842300 Smart,Dan wrote

Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-01 Thread John Andersen
On Tuesday 30 November 2004 01:27 pm, Smart,Dan wrote: > Catching image only E-mail with pornographic images is really difficult. > My users are offended when they get one, and wonder how I could not catch > it. Explaining that the document was text, filled with bayes poison, and > the one porn

Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-01 Thread jdow
I wonder what kind of a load it is on the filtering machine. {^_-} - Original Message - From: "Smart,Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Messagelabs made a big deal of their option of using First 4 Internet's > Image Composition Analysis tool to detect pornographic images. Is anyone in > the ope

RE: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-01 Thread Matt Kettler
At 07:15 PM 11/30/2004, Smart,Dan wrote: So Razor differs from DCC in that respect. Razor and DCC differ quite a bit when you get into the details. Particularly now that razor has the e8 algorithm, which is more like SURBL than it is like DCC. I gave up on Razor long ago due to delays due to sl

RE: Image Composition Analysis

2004-12-01 Thread Smart,Dan
r 30, 2004 5:12 PM > To: Smart,Dan; users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: Image Composition Analysis > > At 05:27 PM 11/30/2004, Smart,Dan wrote: > >Messagelabs made a big deal of their option of using First > 4 Internet's > >Image Composition A

Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-11-30 Thread Matt Kettler
At 05:27 PM 11/30/2004, Smart,Dan wrote: Messagelabs made a big deal of their option of using First 4 Internet's Image Composition Analysis tool to detect pornographic images. Is anyone in the open source world working on something similar. Not that I'm aware of. Nor am I particularly impressed

RE: Image Composition Analysis

2004-11-30 Thread Smart,Dan
t: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:53 PM > To: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: Image Composition Analysis > > Smart,Dan said: > > Messagelabs made a big deal of their option of using First 4 > > Internet's Image Composition Analysis tool to detect pornogr

Re: Image Composition Analysis

2004-11-30 Thread Evan Platt
Smart,Dan said: > Messagelabs made a big deal of their option of using First 4 Internet's > Image Composition Analysis tool to detect pornographic images. Is anyone > in > the open source world working on something similar. > > Catching image only E-mail with pornographic images is really difficul