Re: TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-07 Thread David F. Skoll
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 16:10:36 +0200 Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > Do you have memory for your nameserver limited or not? No. I simulated a name server with an infinite cache size. > Does it only expire RR's when they time out? Yes. > what logs did you procvess? The mail log from sendmail.

Re: TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-07 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 14:39:48 +0200 Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: And in case of repeating the same IP's (which happens especially with remote mailservers) the negative cache helps much. On 07.07.11 09:09, David F. Skoll wrote: No, it does not. I have run experiments on real mail servers. I'm

Re: TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-07 Thread David F. Skoll
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 14:39:48 +0200 Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > On 07.07.11 08:26, David F. Skoll wrote: > >The point is that by definition, you can't have a per-IP > >negative-cache TTL. > We can have per-IP positive cache and per-zone negative cache. That does not help. > And in case of re

Re: TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-07 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 11:50:44 +0200 Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: Negative caching can be effective or in this case even ineffective too, can't it? On 07.07.11 08:26, David F. Skoll wrote: The point is that by definition, you can't have a per-IP negative-cache TTL. We can have per-IP positive

Re: TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-07 Thread David F. Skoll
On Thu, 7 Jul 2011 11:50:44 +0200 Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote: > Negative caching can be effective or in this case even > ineffective too, can't it? The point is that by definition, you can't have a per-IP negative-cache TTL. Regards, David.

Re: TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-07 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
> My experiments on real mail servers show that DNS caching is quite > ineffective for DNSBLs (at least for typical ones like Spamhaus that > use a short TTL on the order of 15-30 minutes.) On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:20:18 +0200 Michelle Konzack wrote: Is the TTL set global or are the TTLs set by

Re: TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-05 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 5 Jul 2011 12:20:18 +0200 Michelle Konzack wrote: > > My experiments on real mail servers show that DNS caching is quite > > ineffective for DNSBLs (at least for typical ones like Spamhaus that > > use a short TTL on the order of 15-30 minutes.) > Is the TTL set global or are the TTLs se

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-05 Thread Per Jessen
Jeff Chan wrote: > On Monday, July 4, 2011, 3:46:15 AM, Warren Jr. wrote: >> Hey folks, > >> http://www.spamtips.org/2011/07/spamassassin-why-run-your-own-dns.html >> I wrote this article about why it can be important to run your own >> DNS server if you have a busy Spamassassin deployment. > >>

Re: TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-05 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 12:20 +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote: > Am 2011-07-04 09:24:19, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > > My experiments on real mail servers show that DNS caching is quite > > ineffective for DNSBLs (at least for typical ones like Spamhaus that > > use a short TTL on the order of 15

Re: TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-05 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hello David F. Skoll, Am 2011-07-04 09:24:19, hacktest Du folgendes herunter: > My experiments on real mail servers show that DNS caching is quite > ineffective for DNSBLs (at least for typical ones like Spamhaus that > use a short TTL on the order of 15-30 minutes.) Is the TTL set global or are

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-05 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Tue, 05.07.2011 at 07:18:30 +, Jason Ede wrote: > Andreas Schulze [mailto:s...@andreasschulze.de] wrote: > > - bind (off course) although I'm sure that it was meant in a different way, "off course" hits the nail right onto the head, imnsho. > Are there any figures on the relative

RE: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-05 Thread Jason Ede
> -Original Message- > From: Andreas Schulze [mailto:s...@andreasschulze.de] > Sent: 04 July 2011 12:11 > To: Warren Togami Jr. > Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org > Subject: Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server? > > Warren, > > > Anyone have an

Re: caches, was TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-04 Thread John Levine
>> But if you're looking for a DNS cache, I highly recommend unbound. >> I used to use dnscache but got tired of its limitations (due entirely >> to it being unchanged since 1998.) My copy of unbound runs about >> 27M real RAM, 44M virtual, which is pretty modest on my 12G server. > >how many q/s

Re: TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-04 Thread Axb
On 2011-07-04 21:26, John Levine wrote: My experiments on real mail servers show that DNS caching is quite ineffective for DNSBLs (at least for typical ones like Spamhaus that use a short TTL on the order of 15-30 minutes.) That's consistent with what I've seen, although you probably won't be s

Re: TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-04 Thread John Levine
>My experiments on real mail servers show that DNS caching is quite >ineffective for DNSBLs (at least for typical ones like Spamhaus that >use a short TTL on the order of 15-30 minutes.) That's consistent with what I've seen, although you probably won't be surprised to hear that I have higher hope

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Jorn Argelo
On 4-7-2011 20:35, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi, On Mon, 04.07.2011 at 13:23:42 +0200, Axb wrote: Well, together with the auth server it creates an "ecosystem" with some (limited) vendor lock-in capability. "vendor lock-in" ? be explicit, please. last I looked PowerDNS highlighted some custom DNS

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Mon, 04.07.2011 at 13:23:42 +0200, Axb wrote: > >Well, together with the auth server it creates an "ecosystem" with > >some (limited) vendor lock-in capability. > > "vendor lock-in" ? be explicit, please. last I looked PowerDNS highlighted some custom DNS RR types (on the wire) that wer

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 04.07.11 00:46, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: http://www.spamtips.org/2011/07/spamassassin-why-run-your-own-dns.html I wrote this article about why it can be important to run your own DNS server if you have a busy Spamassassin deployment. it CAN but it doesn't always have to be. We provide 6 DNS

TTL and DNSBLs (was Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?)

2011-07-04 Thread David F. Skoll
On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 13:52:00 +0200 Axb wrote: > BLs generally adjust their negative TTL to get a practical balance > between query load and positive hits. > Gaming these settings can become a costly process. My experiments on real mail servers show that DNS caching is quite ineffective for DNSB

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
On 7/4/2011 1:52 AM, Axb wrote: A small site will never use 400MB of DNS cacheing... don't scare ppl unnecessarily :) Larger sites already do local recursion and have the iron to to it. (other recursors will also use a lot of memory under high-ish load) It is also possible that pdns-recursor ju

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
On 7/4/2011 1:52 AM, Axb wrote: On 2011-07-04 12:46, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: Hey folks, http://www.spamtips.org/2011/07/spamassassin-why-run-your-own-dns.html I wrote this article about why it can be important to run your own DNS server if you have a busy Spamassassin deployment. Anyone have

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Axb
On 2011-07-04 12:46, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: Hey folks, http://www.spamtips.org/2011/07/spamassassin-why-run-your-own-dns.html I wrote this article about why it can be important to run your own DNS server if you have a busy Spamassassin deployment. Anyone have any better tips of an alternate D

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Jeff Chan
On Monday, July 4, 2011, 3:46:15 AM, Warren Jr. wrote: > Hey folks, > http://www.spamtips.org/2011/07/spamassassin-why-run-your-own-dns.html > I wrote this article about why it can be important to run your own DNS > server if you have a busy Spamassassin deployment. > Anyone have any better tips

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Axb
On 2011-07-04 13:15, Toni Mueller wrote: I don't believe pdns-recursor is guilty of this particular complaint as it is ONLY a recursor? Well, together with the auth server it creates an "ecosystem" with some (limited) vendor lock-in capability. "vendor lock-in" ? be explicit, please.

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Mon, 04 Jul 2011 00:46:15 -1000, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: http://www.spamtips.org/2011/07/spamassassin-why-run-your-own-dns.html I wrote this article about why it can be important to run your own DNS server if you have a busy Spamassassin deployment. okay one asked :) 1: do not add forwar

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi Warren, On Mon, 04.07.2011 at 01:03:46 -1000, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: > I heard others recommend unbound, but I haven't tried it yet. Is it > more RAM efficient than other alternatives, and fast? I haven't specifically conducted tests about its memory efficiency, but I do use it on severa

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Andreas Schulze
Warren, > Anyone have any better tips of an alternate DNS resolver, or > configuration options to improve this suggested configuration? please distinguish between DNS server and recursive+caching resolver. The HowTo meen the second one... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Name_System#Name_serv

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
On 7/4/2011 12:58 AM, Toni Mueller wrote: Hi Warren, On Mon, 04.07.2011 at 00:46:15 -1000, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: http://www.spamtips.org/2011/07/spamassassin-why-run-your-own-dns.html Anyone have any better tips of an alternate DNS resolver, or configuration options to improve this sugge

Re: SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi Warren, On Mon, 04.07.2011 at 00:46:15 -1000, Warren Togami Jr. wrote: > http://www.spamtips.org/2011/07/spamassassin-why-run-your-own-dns.html > > Anyone have any better tips of an alternate DNS resolver, or > configuration options to improve this suggested configuration? while I do agree

SpamTips.org: Why run your own DNS server?

2011-07-04 Thread Warren Togami Jr.
Hey folks, http://www.spamtips.org/2011/07/spamassassin-why-run-your-own-dns.html I wrote this article about why it can be important to run your own DNS server if you have a busy Spamassassin deployment. Anyone have any better tips of an alternate DNS resolver, or configuration options to imp