Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-15 Thread Randy
Neil Schwartzman wrote: On 2009-01-06 22:19:39 GMT LuKreme kremels at kreme.com wrote: If you want the real history of Habeas in a nutshell, the company went to hell when Anne Mitchell left (the same Anne Mitchell who was part of MAPS back in the day). She's now at the Institute for Spam

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-14 Thread Neil Schwartzman
On 2009-01-06 22:19:39 GMT LuKreme kremels at kreme.com wrote: If you want the real history of Habeas in a nutshell, the company went to hell when Anne Mitchell left (the same Anne Mitchell who was part of MAPS back in the day). She's now at the Institute for Spam and Internet Public Policy

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-14 Thread Greg Troxel
Neil Schwartzman neil.schwartz...@returnpath.net writes: As to the complaint submission issues noted here are concerned, the best point of contact moving forward for SA users would be sa-ab...@senderscorecertified.com (please don¹t use my personal address as I travel frequently, and our

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-10 Thread mouss
McDonald, Dan a écrit : On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 13:21 +0300, Sergey Kovalev wrote: mouss wrote: On 6-Jan-2009, at 08:51, Greg Troxel wrote: I realize that HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI has or had a reasonable ruleqa value. But, I wonder if SA should apply higher standards than that, and not give

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-09 Thread Sergey Kovalev
mouss wrote: On 6-Jan-2009, at 08:51, Greg Troxel wrote: I realize that HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI has or had a reasonable ruleqa value. But, I wonder if SA should apply higher standards than that, and not give negative scores to databases that don't behave reasonably. I have # Disable Habeas

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-09 Thread McDonald, Dan
On Fri, 2009-01-09 at 13:21 +0300, Sergey Kovalev wrote: mouss wrote: On 6-Jan-2009, at 08:51, Greg Troxel wrote: I realize that HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI has or had a reasonable ruleqa value. But, I wonder if SA should apply higher standards than that, and not give negative scores to

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-09 Thread Jon Trulson
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, Anthony Peacock wrote: LuKreme wrote: On 6-Jan-2009, at 08:51, Greg Troxel wrote: I realize that HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI has or had a reasonable ruleqa value. But, I wonder if SA should apply higher standards than that, and not give negative scores to databases that don't

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-09 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Jon Trulson wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, Anthony Peacock wrote: I zeroed the scores for all of these rules about a year ago. They were only hitting on SPAM emails and pushing them into the FN range. I second that - habeas stopped being useful a long time ago (IMO of

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-09 Thread Jon Trulson
On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, John Hardin wrote: On Fri, 9 Jan 2009, Jon Trulson wrote: On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, Anthony Peacock wrote: I zeroed the scores for all of these rules about a year ago. They were only hitting on SPAM emails and pushing them into the FN range. I second that - habeas

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-09 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 04:37:37PM +0100, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: It appears to me that the HABEAS rules are hitting only a very tiny fraction of mail, many of the nightly mass-checks don't have a hit at all (or is it that those checks don't contain any network checks?). The

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-09 Thread Greg Troxel
Theo Van Dinter felic...@apache.org writes: On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 04:37:37PM +0100, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: It appears to me that the HABEAS rules are hitting only a very tiny fraction of mail, many of the nightly mass-checks don't have a hit at all (or is it that those checks don't

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-08 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 19:31 +0100, Kai Schaetzl wrote: It appears to me that the HABEAS rules are hitting only a very tiny fraction of mail, many of the nightly mass-checks don't have a hit at all (or is it that those checks don't contain any network checks?). The aggregated view shows no

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-08 Thread Justin Mason
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 15:37, Karsten Bräckelmann guent...@rudersport.de wrote: On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 19:31 +0100, Kai Schaetzl wrote: It appears to me that the HABEAS rules are hitting only a very tiny fraction of mail, many of the nightly mass-checks don't have a hit at all (or is it that

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-08 Thread mouss
LuKreme a écrit : On 6-Jan-2009, at 08:51, Greg Troxel wrote: I realize that HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI has or had a reasonable ruleqa value. But, I wonder if SA should apply higher standards than that, and not give negative scores to databases that don't behave reasonably. This has been

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-07 Thread Anthony Peacock
LuKreme wrote: On 6-Jan-2009, at 08:51, Greg Troxel wrote: I realize that HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI has or had a reasonable ruleqa value. But, I wonder if SA should apply higher standards than that, and not give negative scores to databases that don't behave reasonably. This has been brought up

more habeas spam

2009-01-06 Thread Greg Troxel
I have once again been spammed by a habeas-accredited sender. This time it's also in senderbase, and thus got a whopping -8.6 from those two combined. Perhaps one rule should be dropped - two rules controlled by the same organization having additive scores doesn't seem right. spample and SA

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-06 Thread Kai Schaetzl
Greg Troxel wrote on Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:51:57 -0500: In https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=5902 I asked I read that bug report now and followed the link to the ruleqa. I have a slightly different twist on that: should rules with such a low hit rate (whatever they hit)

RE: more habeas spam

2009-01-06 Thread Jason Bertoch
-Original Message- From: Kai Schaetzl [mailto:mailli...@conactive.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:31 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: more habeas spam There is also bug 5977 for BSP who still doesn't have a clear way to file a complaint. I just received

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-06 Thread rafa
Jason Bertoch wrote: -Original Message- From: Kai Schaetzl [mailto:mailli...@conactive.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:31 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: more habeas spam There is also bug 5977 for BSP who still doesn't have a clear way to file a complaint. I

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-06 Thread Rob Foehl
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009, Greg Troxel wrote: In https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=5902 I asked why HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI still got a negative score, and after posting in public did get a response from habeas. But my experience has been that non-public complaints are ignored.

Re: more habeas spam

2009-01-06 Thread LuKreme
On 6-Jan-2009, at 08:51, Greg Troxel wrote: I realize that HABEAS_ACCREDITED_SOI has or had a reasonable ruleqa value. But, I wonder if SA should apply higher standards than that, and not give negative scores to databases that don't behave reasonably. This has been brought up on the list