out we focus on figuring out what we can
do
to remedy that disagreement and come to a compromise?
-Original Message-
From: Francis Amanfo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:28 PM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: TapIDEA future, post "Time to move on"
Ye
t and come to a compromise?
-Original Message-
From: Francis Amanfo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 1:28 PM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: TapIDEA future, post "Time to move on"
Yeah Jesse, I don't blame you. If I were the "Yes Sir" kind
Yeah Jesse, I don't blame you. If I were the "Yes Sir" kind I would also say
only Yes to my boss on anything without first analyzing myself if what he's
doing makes sense. Fortunately I'm not that kind. I first think through my
boss's request before going with him or her on issues. And in the
envi
But you forget that I'm in Howard's camp as well...So please when you
mention facist regimes to include me as a leutenient at least. I would make
the decision to support it again and again if given the chance.
I mock you Mr. Amanfo. ~mock~
On 8/31/06, Francis Amanfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, Mr. Mind, let me humbly say that I'm not trolling. I'm mentioning
things which I know are of great concern to very many people.
Having read the following post by you on July 28:
"... the majority of people will expect some kind of backward compatibility
between T4 and T5 and that expectatio
Howard sugested Geoff as a Tapestry committer entirely based on his work on
Spindle. In addition Geoff specifically asked you NOT to hijack his name for
your vendetta. Do the facts matter to you at all?
Secondly, I presume you have written code that adds the T4 features to T3,
while keeping it ab
Well, after months of Tap4 programming eagerly waiting for Spindle for Tap4,
and looking over my shoulder for TapIDEA that seemed closer and made me
consider trying IntelliJ... all comes down!
Nothing I can say regarding how important IDE support is that has not been
said before.
Kranga really sa
Henrik,
Stop dreaming. If what you're saying is valid then we should have got
Spindle for Tap 4 now.
The fact of the matter is Howard just didn't listen to Geoff. With Howard's
current opinion on tools, I don't think he would make a tool drive his
fanatic and radical design decisions.
My .02 cen
ing and so the
temptation to make T6 incompatible. T3 for all its worth gives me enough
so
I can weigh options and evaluate trends with leisure.
T3: Judgement day!
- Original Message -
From: "andyhot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tapestry users"
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2
Even better would be to have the plugins in question supported by a real
bonafied eclipse project..One of the side effects of our loose association
with dojo is that we have access to a lot more inside people in various
projects...Including eclipse.
On 8/30/06, hv @ Fashion Content <[EMAIL PROTEC
I think the best thing is building on WST and Tap5, while Tap5 is developed.
The amount of special tooling needed for Tap5 should be limited.
Judging form Geoff's posts the main problem with Spindle for Tap4 is the
large number of possible ways to configure an application. One of the goals
for Tap
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tapestry users"
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: TapIDEA future, post "Time to move on"
spindle-core (for Tap4) does this way in an IDE independent way.
I was taking a look at it 4 months ago, and I was able to do
Francis Amanfo - I admire your passion. Please don't hijack my name or
situation to push your agenda. I feel as strongly as anyone else who is pro
tooling but to use me as a basis for attack on Howard alienates many and
does nothing to further your wishes. I feel it belittles my many years of
hard
spindle-core (for Tap4) does this way in an IDE independent way.
I was taking a look at it 4 months ago, and I was able to do exactly this.
For instance:
public static void main(String[] args) {
TapestryCore core = new TapestryCore(new TestLogger(),
new LocalCoreListeners()
8/29/2006 3:32 PM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: RE: TapIDEA future, post "Time to move on"
Huh? What are you talking about?
--- Mark Stang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, if you are that good, switch to a plain vanilla
> vers
Agreed, but that could be done as build time 'check'
step. Something like JSP compiler task
http://ant.apache.org/manual/OptionalTasks/jspc.html
I think it could be easier to create than full IDE
plugin and such core service might be a very good
foundation for people willing to build IDE specif
I mostly agree with you that current tooling gets us pretty far, but there's
a lot to be said for turning the most frequent "runtime" errors into
"compile-time" errors, something that often requires special Tapestry
awareness.
On 8/29/06, Konstantin Ignatyev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
My point
Huh? What are you talking about?
--- Mark Stang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, if you are that good, switch to a plain vanilla
> version of vi and let's see how "good" you are...
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-Original Message-
From: Konstantin Ignatyev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tue 8/29/2006 3:01 PM
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: TapIDEA future, post "Time to mo
The keyword here 'think'.
That is very common, but what we actually seek is not
ZZZ-IDE or plugin, but features like:
- code navigation;
- code completion;
- syntax checks and coloring;
That is about it. Tool like IntelliJ pretty much takes
care of all those things without any Tapestry specific
Konstantin,
I don't agree completely with you on his one. I must say that I do my
Tapestry development in Eclipse without Tapestry IDE and I'm happy. However
I know a lot of junior to middle level developers who think they would be
more productive with a Tap IDE. So it's not only a matter of opi
It is all matter of opinion but I would say that IDE
like IntelliJ + DreamWeaver out of box provide enought
features to be productive with Tapestry.
Certain Tapestry specific features would be nice to
have but they are not critical IMO.
--- Francis Amanfo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Guys,
>
Guys,
Allow me to quote from Howard's blog at
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4110180&postID=115379415681750974
The quote goes:
"As a reminder: Rails, the biggest success story I can name, has no tooling
at all. Tooling is no replacement for productivity."
First of all, I question his us
Those are great points. ..
I should say that while I don't have enough time to work on a plugin
project, I will certainly provide "special" support in the form of bug
fixes/answers to question to anyone building any tapestry related projects
that I think the community/developers could benefit fro
--- Hugo Palma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Those simple features you mention are not so difficult to implement and i
> could easily provide those in TapIDEA without Spindle. Still, when i think
> of Tapestry ÎDE support i think of something much more complete and feature
> rich like what Spindl
Those simple features you mention are not so difficult to implement and i
could easily provide those in TapIDEA without Spindle. Still, when i think
of Tapestry ÎDE support i think of something much more complete and feature
rich like what Spindle for T3 provides. It was and is TapIDEA's goal to
p
On 8/28/06, Hugo Palma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Since Geoff decided to leave the Spindle project i've been thinking
about the future of TapIDEA. As many of you know, TapIDEA is built on
top of Spindle, which means "No Spindle" -> "No TapIDEA".
There are several scenarios that can be put into
Jesse has no such superhuman abilities. Or...can't fit anymore information
into his brain.
On 8/28/06, andyhot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You're right and ... here's the rest of the story
I've been trying to reach Alex Kochnev, the author of
http://akochnev.blogspot.com/2006/08/tapestry-netbea
You're right and ... here's the rest of the story
I've been trying to reach Alex Kochnev, the author of
http://akochnev.blogspot.com/2006/08/tapestry-netbeans-plugin.html
but since i couldn't wait for his response, I went ahead and created
something
along the lines that he describes.
I made use of
I think someone has started working on a module that integrates the
Tapestry web framework in NetBeans
http://www.netbeans.info/newsletter/story.php?id=719
D&J Gredler wrote:
If I remember correctly, one of the benefits of the move to maven2 was
supposed to be the creation of Tapestry sub-proje
If I remember correctly, one of the benefits of the move to maven2 was
supposed to be the creation of Tapestry sub-projects with their own
commiters, where both contributors and components could be nurtured.
What about a tapestry-ide subproject that Hugo and some other intrepid
volunteers could g
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