Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-16 Thread ael
I Agree a new site for Tapestry Products ^_^ +1. -- View this message in context: http://tapestry.1045711.n5.nabble.com/Should-Tapestry-phone-home-tp3207776p3215946.html Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-14 Thread Norman Franke
Another good reason to not do this is if the server that was being reported to dies or malfunctions, it could prevent startup or otherwise cause problems. I've had similar problems with the XML libraries doing validation to DTDs that don't exist anymore due to domain name registration issue

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-12 Thread Alessio Gambi
On Oct 12, 2010, at 5:10 PM, Igor Drobiazko wrote: We should not forget that some companies have policies which forbbid to provide any details on used technologies. These companies will be pissed of if they are mentioned on any statistics. This is clear to everybody, that's the why we expli

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-12 Thread Igor Drobiazko
We should not forget that some companies have policies which forbbid to provide any details on used technologies. These companies will be pissed of if they are mentioned on any statistics. On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Christophe Cordenier < christophe.corden...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's dynami

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-12 Thread Christophe Cordenier
It's dynamic, you will have tags, most popular, most downloaded, ... That makes contribution process alive 2010/10/12 Ulrich Stärk : > And what exactly is the benefit over a wiki page where a user may register > their project (which we already have)? > > On 12.10.2010 15:02, Thiago H. de Paula Fig

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-12 Thread Ulrich Stärk
And what exactly is the benefit over a wiki page where a user may register their project (which we already have)? On 12.10.2010 15:02, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo wrote: On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:39:03 -0300, Christophe Cordenier wrote: My two cents, new web site will be coming soon (I hope

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-12 Thread Michael Gentry
Any such system should be opt-in, not opt-out. We are all curious who uses T5 and for what purposes, but I know the organization I work for wouldn't appreciate that kind of intentional leakage. Thanks, mrg - To unsubscribe, e-m

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-12 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
On Tue, 12 Oct 2010 06:39:03 -0300, Christophe Cordenier wrote: My two cents, new web site will be coming soon (I hope so) why not having a small dynamic application for multiple types of registration (third-party contributions, Tapestry users (in production) ...) I think this is exactly th

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-12 Thread Michal Gruca
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Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-12 Thread Christophe Cordenier
My two cents, new web site will be coming soon (I hope so) why not having a small dynamic application for multiple types of registration (third-party contributions, Tapestry users (in production) ...) Christophe. 2010/10/12 Andrus Adamchik : > Exactly. I can envision a lot of pissed of users (mys

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-12 Thread Andrus Adamchik
Exactly. I can envision a lot of pissed of users (myself included). PR disaster and people walking away from the framework is probably what will happen. The voluntary registration idea floated in this thread is much more honest. Not sure how to implement it in the context of Tapestry though. An

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-12 Thread Vangel V. Ajanovski
> It would be interesting to know how many apps are running in the wild, > and details about how many pages & components & services, JVM > version, and OS and hardware configuration. Moodle (the learning management system) is a complete system not a framework and what they do have is a "register m

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-12 Thread Michal Gruca
options that could set what is being uploaded to tapestry public repository. In return for that data, tapestry could send emails with information about updates or important security patches. Regards Michał -- View this message in context: http://tapestry-users.832.n2.nabble.com/Should-Tapestry

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Josh Canfield
yeah... not the kind of monitoring I had in mind ;) The generator meta tag is there, and I stumbled across this handy tool: http://www.gigablast.com/search?k5b=640731&dt=generator&q=generator%3A%22apache+tapestry%22 I've built a couple sites using Drupal and they have a page which enumerates the

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Alessio Gambi
On 11-ott-2010, at 20:52, Chris Pall wrote: > And no, it should not phone home - it should be invoked. Ok. I see all your points: - something already there but not automatic - not about the application nor the usage data - yes the version of the framework - some feedback/news/hint/added-value

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Chris Pall
And no, it should not phone home - it should be invoked. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Chris Pall wrote: > You probably would get much better compliance if you were giving them > something back - if you're giving them a tool that lets them know hey -- > there is a bugfix for your version.

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:50:03 -0300, Chris Pall wrote: You probably would get much better compliance if you were giving them something back - if you're giving them a tool that lets them know hey -- there is a bugfix for your version. EHCache does exactly that. -- Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Chris Pall
You probably would get much better compliance if you were giving them something back - if you're giving them a tool that lets them know hey -- there is a bugfix for your version. --cgp On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > So, Alessio had a good idea ... some way of fin

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:46:29 -0300, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: So, Alessio had a good idea ... some way of finding out who is using Tapestry that doesn't rely on the user doing anything manually ... what would be a better way to approach this? What about the generator meta tag Tapestry uses

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
So, Alessio had a good idea ... some way of finding out who is using Tapestry that doesn't rely on the user doing anything manually ... what would be a better way to approach this? On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo wrote: > On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:03:16 -0300, Igor D

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo
On Mon, 11 Oct 2010 15:03:16 -0300, Igor Drobiazko wrote: We shouldn't do it. People would hat Tapestry for it. Agreed. -- Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo Independent Java, Apache Tapestry 5 and Hibernate consultant, developer, and instructor Owner, Ars Machina Tecnologia da Informação Lt

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Igor Drobiazko
We shouldn't do it. People would hat Tapestry for it. On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > This came up during my training class this week. > > What would be the repercussions if Tapestry included a start-up filter > that "reported" the application startup back to some cen

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Martin Strand
I don't like this idea. Perhaps I'm one of those privacy-minded people since we use Tapestry in a security sensitive context (credit cards). I remember some time ago when we looked at upgrading Quartz and were surprised to see the new version trying to dial home in a similar manner (by def

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Alessio Gambi
Hi I think that if put in the right 'shape' and on volunteer basis it can work pretty well. Maybe a filter is bit intrusive ... But eclipse for example does the same, still people use it. In a similar way all the softwares (especially when they fail) have a way to call home. Something like a

Re: Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Daniel Jue
I don't think this is a good idea. I understand that it would satisfy a lot of curiosity. Not that it could phone home on the networks I deal with. There would have to be value-add for the end user, such as checking for a newer version, etc. Is there precedent for this in other Apache projects?

Should Tapestry phone home?

2010-10-11 Thread Howard Lewis Ship
This came up during my training class this week. What would be the repercussions if Tapestry included a start-up filter that "reported" the application startup back to some central location, so that we could get some idea of where and how Tapestry is being used? Obviously, this would be documente