Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-14 Thread Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 10:20:57 -0300, Muhammad Gelbana wrote: I agree this is an issue. Have you filled a JIRA for that? If not, please> do it. It's already done but I think I'm not labeling it correctly because it hasn't had any activity since then. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-14 Thread Muhammad Gelbana
> > I agree this is an issue. Have you filled a JIRA for that? If not, please > do it. It's already done but I think I'm not labeling it correctly because it hasn't had any activity since then. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TAP5-1948 I think what you're really saying is not that Tapestry

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-14 Thread Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 07:00:13 -0300, Muhammad Gelbana wrote: I was merely making a suggestion that tapestry would adopt a mature UI framework for it's client part and focus on it's most mature part so far which is the server side's. Another argument against that: Tapestry, in my humble opini

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-14 Thread Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 07:00:13 -0300, Muhammad Gelbana wrote: I'm feeling guilty for starting such a controversy subject about a framework I like ! This has been a nice discussion, so I think you have nothing to apologize. ;) I've said wrong things about Vaadin and got corrected, and I do l

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-14 Thread trsvax
serviceInterface = method.getReturnType(); return resources.getService(serviceInterface); } } } -- View this message in context: http://tapestry.1045711.n5.nabble.com/Tapestry5-vs-Vaadin-tp5715273p5715381.html Sent from the

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-14 Thread Muhammad Gelbana
I'm feeling guilty for starting such a controversy subject about a framework I like ! I was merely making a suggestion that tapestry would adopt a mature UI framework for it's client part and focus on it's most mature part so far which is the server side's. But *Thiago* already replied to that usin

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 18:11:48 -0300, Lenny Primak wrote: Issue created: http://code.google.com/p/flowlogix/issues/detail?id=30 Nice! Thanks! Subscribed to get notifications about this issue. :) -- Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo ---

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Lenny Primak
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Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Onno Scheffers
> That's why I said 'basically'. ;) I claim no knowledge in Vaadin besides > reading its website. > I also said 'basically' :) I'm currently working on my first Vaadin project, so I am in no way an expert. I do really like it though and I plan to also use it for an administrative section of an ex

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:39:24 -0300, Lenny Primak wrote: I will actually put that on my list of things to do. The only problem I have with this approach is that this will always be in catch-up mode ala mono and .net With the difference that the Tapestry public API grows slow . . . -- Thi

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Lenny Primak
I will actually put that on my list of things to do. The only problem I have with this approach is that this will always be in catch-up mode ala mono and .net On Aug 13, 2012, at 2:25 PM, "Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo" wrote: > On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:03:24 -0300, Lenny Primak > wrote: > >

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:07:39 -0300, Onno Scheffers wrote: And don't forget that Vaadin is basically GWT plus some server-side stuff. That's like saying Tapestry is basically Javassist plus some server-side stuff. That's why I said 'basically'. ;) I claim no knowledge in Vaadin besides re

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 16:03:24 -0300, Lenny Primak wrote: Also tapestry IOC is supporting and not a primary component of tapestry. The web framework is the primary. Yep, but Tapestry-IoC is amazing on its own too. :) Having worked with tapestry for almost 2 years now I can honestly say tha

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Onno Scheffers
> And don't forget that Vaadin is basically GWT plus some server-side stuff. That's like saying Tapestry is basically Javassist plus some server-side stuff. Vaadin is a very mature framework that has been in development for many years and they built most of their client implementation and rich cl

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Lenny Primak
12, at 12:14 AM, lukaszkaleta wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The question is what you need more: >>>>>> 1. RichClient like application on the web - then you can go with >> vaadin, >>>>>> since it has many build in components >>>&

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:54:26 -0300, Muhammad Gelbana wrote: I probably am. But I think tapestry's *major* contribution is into the client part. I highly expect that this is wrong so please correct me if I am. What difference does it make if tapestry is a multi-page framework or a single-pag

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Muhammad Gelbana
> > Wow, you've just said that Tapestry, which is a web framework, should drop > the web framework (which is multipage), replace it with Vaadin/GWT (which > are single page) and focus on the IoC part only. I'm sorry, but I think > you're at least very confused about the above opinion I probably a

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
On Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:30:31 -0300, Muhammad Gelbana wrote: I've never used Vaadin but what I can say about it after I visited it's website is that it's much more UI component rich when compared to tapestry but it has no IoC support. Of course the lack of UI components in t5 can be mitiga

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-13 Thread Thiago H de Paula Figueiredo
On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 10:00:53 -0300, Muhammad Gelbana wrote: I'm mainly raising this discussion because I believe tapestry could make use of the idea of using a mature UI framework (such as Vaadin or GWT) instead of reinventing the wheel on that part and rather focus on what it's REALLY grea

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-12 Thread Muhammad Gelbana
d in components > >>>> 2. If you look for good perfomnace in faver of rich components then > >>>> tapestry > >>>> is better choice IMHO > >>>> > >>>> I used vaadin for administrative application, the performance was not > so

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-11 Thread Taha Siddiqi
e it has many build in components >>>> 2. If you look for good perfomnace in faver of rich components then >>>> tapestry >>>> is better choice IMHO >>>> >>>> I used vaadin for administrative application, the performance was not so >

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-11 Thread Ray Nicholus
gt;> I used vaadin for administrative application, the performance was not so > >> important. > >> Together with Google Guice as IoC it was nice combination. > >> > >> Tapestry has build

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-11 Thread Angelo C.
;> Together with Google Guice as IoC it was nice combination. >> >> Tapestry has build in own IoC, but integrating Spring is very easy too. >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-11 Thread Lenny Primak
I think you are fixated on the number of components that are available in vaadin too much. Vaadin and GWT in general have to have their own components for everything because everything is built n JavaScript. Tapestry can get away with using plain HTML for both things so it's not really a valid c

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-11 Thread Taha Siddiqi
C, but integrating Spring is very easy too. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://tapestry.1045711.n5.nabble.com/Tapestry5-vs-Vaadin-tp5715273p5715274.html > Sent from the Tapestry - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Re: Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-11 Thread lukaszkaleta
performance was not so important. Together with Google Guice as IoC it was nice combination. Tapestry has build in own IoC, but integrating Spring is very easy too. -- View this message in context: http://tapestry.1045711.n5.nabble.com/Tapestry5-vs-Vaadin-tp5715273p5715274.html Sent from the

Tapestry5 vs Vaadin

2012-08-11 Thread Muhammad Gelbana
So is there any Vaadin users already using tapestry5 too and could give me a comparison based on his experience ? I've never used Vaadin but what I can say about it after I visited it's website is that it's much more UI component rich when compared to tapestry but it has no IoC support. Of course