Re: j_security_check SSL

2009-03-13 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gregor, On 3/10/2009 5:44 PM, Gregor Schneider wrote: Mark, On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org wrote: Ditch FORM auth, use DIGEST. I'm afraid I don't see how to combine DIGEST with a Login-form - and that's a

Re: j_security_check SSL

2009-03-13 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Chuck, On 3/10/2009 3:24 PM, Caldarale, Charles R wrote: From: Gregor Schneider [mailto:rc4...@googlemail.com] Subject: j_security_check SSL is there any way to achieve encryption for the Login-process without a valid SSL-cert? Note

Re: j_security_check SSL

2009-03-13 Thread André Warnier
Hi guys. I'm following this loosely, along with some other threads. There is another one going on right now which also talks about authentication, hijacking JSESSIONID etc.. Gregor, what is not very clear to me, and maybe you want to do a wrapup, is what exactly you are - and are not - trying

Re: j_security_check SSL

2009-03-13 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 André, On 3/13/2009 10:38 AM, André Warnier wrote: Unless I am mistaken, I don't think that using HTTPS in order to protect the user-id/password from eavesdropping by some miscreant, you necessarily have to have a Verisign certificate for each

Re: j_security_check SSL

2009-03-13 Thread Gregor Schneider
Chris, On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: Just to be clear, it's the session creation that is sensitive to SSL, not the actual login (authentication step). If your session exists and is visible to non-secure communications before

Re: j_security_check SSL

2009-03-13 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gregor, On 3/13/2009 11:42 AM, Gregor Schneider wrote: So would following scenario work? - login using form-based login via https - when successful: HttpSession session = request.getSession(); // guess that shoudln't happen if

Re: j_security_check SSL

2009-03-13 Thread Gregor Schneider
Hi André, first: Please forgive me my late answer also to your PM, however, I was really busy here so that I didn't find any time to answer in an appropriate (aka detailed) manner. So here we go: Customers When talking about customers, I'm actually talking about our staff from

Re: j_security_check SSL

2009-03-13 Thread Gregor Schneider
Chris, On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 5:14 PM, Christopher Schultz ch...@christopherschultz.net wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gregor, On 3/13/2009 11:42 AM, Gregor Schneider wrote: So would following scenario work? - login using form-based login via https - when

Re: j_security_check SSL

2009-03-13 Thread Christopher Schultz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gregor, On 3/13/2009 1:58 PM, Gregor Schneider wrote: So will I then be able to access the HttpSession-object created when inside HTTPS (login-page) when I'm querying it from within a JSP served via plain HTTP? No, the session will be created in

j_security_check SSL

2009-03-10 Thread Gregor Schneider
And another one: AFAIK, when using Form-based Authentication, the parameters for j_security_check are send in a readable manner over the wire, thus prone for an attack. Therefore, it is recommended to use SSL-encription for the Form-Loginpage. However, that means that one has to buy one of

Re: j_security_check SSL

2009-03-10 Thread Mark Thomas
Gregor Schneider wrote: And another one: AFAIK, when using Form-based Authentication, the parameters for j_security_check are send in a readable manner over the wire, thus prone for an attack. Correct. Therefore, it is recommended to use SSL-encription for the Form-Loginpage. Correct.

RE: j_security_check SSL

2009-03-10 Thread Caldarale, Charles R
From: Gregor Schneider [mailto:rc4...@googlemail.com] Subject: j_security_check SSL is there any way to achieve encryption for the Login-process without a valid SSL-cert? We normally use a self-signed certificate. That does pop up a browser message to that effect, which might scare off

Re: j_security_check SSL

2009-03-10 Thread Gregor Schneider
Mark, On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Mark Thomas ma...@apache.org wrote: Ditch FORM auth, use DIGEST. I'm afraid I don't see how to combine DIGEST with a Login-form - and that's a customer request. I know that SecurityFilter is quite a handy tool, however, that doesn't support Tomcat's