Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-22 Thread Thomas Mäder
Easy Answer: MS Word! Quid licet iovi non licet bovi as the romans said.In english: if it's ok for Microsoft it's still not ok for you! Thomas snip Then the question is, why do they need those 7000 Windows 2000 Desktops? Wouldn't they be better served by 7000 X server workstations and

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-21 Thread Thomas Mäder
It might be easier for you, but not for the corporate IT shop you're trying to sell your stuff to. They probably have some wacked out compliance test to go through for everything they want to install on their 7000 Windows 2000 Desktops (XP being too newfangled and unproven to be used). In

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-21 Thread Philip A. Chapman
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Then the question is, why do they need those 7000 Windows 2000 Desktops? Wouldn't they be better served by 7000 X server workstations and several Unix machines with centralized user accounts? I know, that's old-school. The whole concept is out

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-18 Thread bruno . borges
Yes, you can have EJBs calls over HTTP. Google for HTTPInvoker. It's a component from JBoss. That's what makes the Genesis framework so interesting: http://genesis.dev.java.net See ya

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-18 Thread Michael Allan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, you can have EJBs calls over HTTP. Google for HTTPInvoker. It's a component from JBoss. Ah, you lucky EJB guys - you're on top of it already. That's what makes the Genesis framework so interesting: http://genesis.dev.java.net ...to allow people with little

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-17 Thread Michael Allan
Zappaterrini, Larry wrote: Your reason is a special instance of a much more general reason. Web applications are much easier to deal with from a deployment perspective than desktop applications. I don't know, it's not difficult to set up an RMI server, or to deploy a Swing client with Web

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-17 Thread Martijn Dashorst
This only holds true if you have the full deployment environment under control: Java for OS X is much different than Java for Windows, as Johan can attest for. Just as with browsers you have to consider folks that don't update their JDK's, and many corporate IT guys don't want to update anything

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-17 Thread Johan Compagner
You guys want a Tunnel library that can tunnel RMI over http? http://sebster.com/tunnel/ works fine. We use it in our product So if you want to code a Swing client that sort of is a browser but then a bit fatter and uses http (rmi over htttp or something else) you can do that just fine johan

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-17 Thread Johan Compagner
if you target Java 5 by using webstart then there isnt to much of a problem just with that But yes you do have especially with the mac the different jvm problems as you have with browsers :( But happily not that many problems (there are way more different browsers and platforms) and if i have to

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-17 Thread Brill Pappin
Actually, I use a Mac now (vista prompted the purchase) and the Mac JVM is actually not much different... in fact I don't notice anything at all when working with java unless I'm doing something low lever like trying to load a YourKit agent... but even then its not so different. If your

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-17 Thread Johan Compagner
the mac jvm is really horrible We really develop eclipse/swing applications for 8 years now and throughout all those years if there is a jvm specific problem Its the mac, its always the mac, For me it is already so far that i really hate everything that is a mac. When they released leopard i

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-17 Thread Peter Ertl
Even Mac guys agree that development by Sun would be much better :-) They still lag behind with java 1.6 (no current 1.6.0_07), do not support powerpc for 1.6 anymore, can't run 32bit on 1.6 and can't run 64bit on 1.5 etc. Yeah, java by apple suckzz ! Am 17.07.2008 um 16:08 schrieb

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-17 Thread Michael Allan
Johan Compagner wrote: You guys want a Tunnel library that can tunnel RMI over http? http://sebster.com/tunnel/ works fine. We use it in our product Excellent, that's exactly what's needed. ... multiplexed RMI Socket Factories ... together with the HTTP tunnel this allows you to use

why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-16 Thread Michael Allan
Daan van Etten wrote: Yeah I know, problem are that our application are ajax heavy, and stateless and ajax does not cope well I've heard.. Maybe not within Wicket, I know too little of Wicket to draw a valid conclusion on that. But it is definitely possible. Look for example at the

Re: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-16 Thread Gabor Szokoli
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Michael Allan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. The user can seamlessly click into the application from external sites, and click back out again. 1 a. A Web client is good for demonstrating a new application, because it's convenient for casual users, who

RE: why are we coding Web apps?

2008-07-16 Thread Zappaterrini, Larry
nicely. From: Michael Allan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed 7/16/2008 2:00 PM To: users@wicket.apache.org Subject: why are we coding Web apps? Daan van Etten wrote: Yeah I know, problem are that our application are ajax heavy, and stateless and ajax does