When I lived in Canada, we used to do some of our shopping at a large Costco
in Mississauga, Ont, where most products seemed to be packaged in larger
sizes suitable for, and directed towards, the non-retail hospitality and
instutional industries (hotels, restaurants, hospitals, etc). What
What are the changes of the United States adopting 24 hour time instead of the
AM/PM thing? Would there be some kind of law (which would probably occur after
metrication) or would it just be one of those things people just adopt? What
about date standards? I would like to see America start
I'm right handed - where would I put my sword if we 'changed over'?
(Historic joke there folks.)
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 20:01:32 -0500
From: trus...@grandecom.net
CC: usma@colostate.edu
Subject: [USMA:43620] Re: Jerry's questions regarding imperial fuel fish
sales in the UK.
To:
Congrats are due to you for mastering the use of a manual gearbox! I think
that's more of an achievement than road placement (based upon most Americans
driving Automatics).
From: carlet...@comcast.net
To: usma@colostate.edu
Subject: [USMA:43622] Re: Jerry's questions regarding imperial
The best way for the US to change its date format is to go straight to the ISO
format of /MM/DD. When Canada converted in the late '70s, this was the
official format at the time, and all Canadian Federal and Provincial government
documentation at the time had to follow this format.
is 2009-03-10. The
hyphens may also be dropped and the date written as 20090310, although this is
less human readable.
The slash is used as a separator between two dates (or times) to indicate a
range or interval.
There is a Yahoo group, ISO8601, devoted to discussion of this if anyone
I've been to a number of Costco stores in Toronto, Montreal, Sherbrooke, and
Moncton. There I noticed meat priced by the kilogram only. No pounds
anywhere. (Admittedly, this was a few years ago.)
I also noticed poutine priced and sold by the tonne, but that's another matter
entirely.
I deal with Costco corporate all the timeI could ask them
At 09:01 2009-03-10, carlet...@comcast.net wrote:
I've been to a number of Costco stores in Toronto, Montreal,
Sherbrooke, and Moncton. There I noticed meat priced by the
kilogram only. No pounds anywhere. (Admittedly,
You are correct in fostering the use of the ISO date format; however,
I prefer to use a dash (-) rather than a slash (/) as a separator in the date
format.
For example 20009-03-10. A dash makes it better readable.
Stan Doore
- Original Message -
From: John Frewen-Lord
To:
Thanks John.
I haven't studied the details; however what you say makes sense.
Standardizing on metric only labeling and metric unit-pricing would be
great.
Regards, Stan Doore
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From: John M. Steele jmsteele9...@sbcglobal.net
To: U.S. Metric Association
On Mar 10 , at 5:07 AM, David wrote:
I would like to see America start using DD/MM/YY instead of MM/DD/YY
I can't agree to that one.
The ISO preferred arrangement is
-MM-DD
so that the numbers are in a logical progression from large to small,
just like our number system. (Also, in
The reference to poutine (Quebec's contribution to fine cuisine) sold by the
tonne was somewhat tongue in cheek. The portions at the food court are huge.
Carleton
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From: Brian J White br...@bjwhite.net
To: carlet...@comcast.net, U.S. Metric Association
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 12:33:06 Bill Hooper wrote:
I also agree with John Steele that, until there is some uniformity in
usage is obtained, substiting a three character alphabetic designation
for the month is desirable (even if not really standard). That, plus
insistence on using all
I lived in Montreal from late 1957 to early 1962. I don't remember poutine.
I don't like the sound of it, either. :)
Bill
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From:
Brian:
Since you deal with Costco in Canada, it would be interesting to know if
Canada fills the 4-litre jugs with 4 L of milk rather than only a gallon as
done here in the US.
Stan Doore
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From: Brian J White br...@bjwhite.net
To: U.S. Metric
I like the Oracle (huge US software company) way of doing things: 'DD-MON-RR'
or 'DD-MON-'So today would be 10-MAR-09 or 10-MAR-2009
From: stan.do...@verizon.net
To: usma@colostate.edu
Subject: [USMA:43635] Re: 24 hour time
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 12:18:24 -0400
You are correct in
There aren instances where that's handy.but really, ISO standard
is the way to go, worldwide.
It's more hidden than anything else. I usually see it on receipts
and schedules and such. But not for human use per se. Shame too,
because it works nicely worldwide.
At 11:08 2009-03-10,
I prefer DD-MM- (and other formats in this order), but have found myself
writing -MM-DD as of late. The problem I have with the latter is the
difficulty in reading it. 4 July 1776 can be read the fourth of July,
seventeen seventy six. How does one read 1776-07-04? Or is the discussion
With a four digit year, and a three letter month, that day of month sticks out
like a sore thumb, no matter where you hide it.
--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Stephen Humphreys barkatf...@hotmail.com wrote:
From: Stephen Humphreys barkatf...@hotmail.com
Subject: [USMA:43642] Re: 24 hour time
To:
ISO 8601 is a numeric data interchange format. However, it uses limited
non-numeric characters as data markers, and attempts to preserve human
readability, but is mostly designed for reliable computer parsing.
It does not concern itself with expanding month number into a name, or indeed
any
I don't see it as a major problem. I have no difficulty saying 1776-07-04
out loud and without hesitation as July the fourth, seventeen-seventy-six.
I have to admit, though, I can see it as a problem for anyone who is
dyslexic. (Dyslexics of the World untie!)
Someone mentioned the MS Windows
4th of July, 1776 or July 4th, 1776. Anything else I can help with,
please let me know. :)
At 11:38 2009-03-10, Stephen Mangum wrote:
How does one read 1776-07-04?
I dislike the DD-MM- and the MM-DD- formats equally for the reason
that the two can easily become confused.
I was brought up in South Africa. For some insane reason we were taught to
write the date as day-month-year in English and month-day-year in Afrikaans.
(Both languages had equal
And of you are the secretary of a committee and you name the files that hold
the minutes as minutes_2009-03-10.doc etc, they will always present
themselves in chronological order.
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From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf
Of Bill Hooper
Sent: 10
For the benefit of Al Lawrence and other newcomers, read below:
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Gene,
You are correct in your understanding of the situation.
Any proposal to amend laws can only come out of Commerce at the
highest levels which means we have to wait until a new Secretary of
Commerce is
On Mar 10 , at 2:38 PM, Stephen Mangum wrote:
How does one read 1776-07-04?
Easy!
One reads it 1776 July 4.
What's the problem?
For a recent medical problem, I answered questions including my
birthdate numerous times. I always said 1935 July 15 and no one ever
asked me to clarify
Pierre, why do you not regard the week number as the business week number
and regard it as an arrangement by which Christian, Muslin, Jew, Hindu,
Buddhist, non-believer etc can exchange information for business purposes
and be sure that they understand each other. If you look a little further
On Mar 10 , at 12:59 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 12:33:06 Bill Hooper wrote:
I also agree that substituting a three character alphabetic
designation
for the month is desirable (and that) plus
... using all four digits in the year, would make this:
2009 Mar 10
I regularly take my car to France and beyond and have got used to driving on
the appropriate side of the road (Between 1999 and 2002 I worked in
Netherlands, Germany and Italy and had my own car while I was there).
However, when I rented a car in Spain and in Sweden, there were two things
that I
while they will read 04/07/1776 as March seventh.... as March
seventh:-)
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From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf
Of Stephen Mangum
Sent: 10 March 2009 18:38
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:43645] Re: 24 hour time
I prefer
It was me who mentioned the default Windows date format. I agree - it really
is no problem to change it - when you are aware of the options (either in
Windows, or, as you rightly point out Bill, in Excel). The problem is that
most people are simply too lazy or unaware to change the default -
John Frewen-Lord and listserv, Sirs:
This is not merely of academic interest. I bank with HSBC, and have both UK
and Canadian bank accounts, including something called Global View, where I
can view on line (and switch money on line between) my accounts in both
countries simultaneously. The
On 2009/03/11, at 6:32 AM, John M. Steele wrote:
ISO 8601 is a numeric data interchange format. However, it uses
limited non-numeric characters as data markers, and attempts to
preserve human readability, but is mostly designed for reliable
computer parsing.
It does not concern itself
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 17:02:03 John M. Steele wrote:
Interesting. Has anyone ever insisted on giving metric height on either a
US Passport application or a state driver's license? If so, how did it go?
I wrote my height in metric (it was 1.47 m back then) when I got my first
passport,
On Tuesday 10 March 2009 16:41:48 Martin Vlietstra wrote:
Pierre, why do you not regard the week number as the business week number
and regard it as an arrangement by which Christian, Muslin, Jew, Hindu,
Buddhist, non-believer etc can exchange information for business purposes
and be sure
Ive actually driven a manual transmission car most of my life: MG 1100, VW
Beetle, two Rabbits, two Saab 900s (and two motorcycles mixed in). The car
I have now (and have had since 2002), a 1999 Saab 9-5, is the first
automatic Ive ever owned.
Metric related: Unlike most American cars,
The US Weather Bureau has used the mmdd format since the 1800s in its
archives.
Stan Doore
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:23 PM
Subject: [USMA:43662] Re: 24 hour time
On 2009/03/11, at 6:32 AM,
Funny. All of my cars have been manual
transmissions (including my Audi Allroad and my
BMW 540i...both 6-speed manuals).
It took me getting a British vehicle to have an
automatic. :) (A Range Rover Classic I picked
up for $500, fixed it up a little bit and have
since put 16,000km on it
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