[USMA:45140] Re: NASA Going English

2009-05-30 Thread John Frewen-Lord
With very few (and very misguided) exceptions, no country in the world allows a 'free-for-all' in terms of measurement (primarily weights and measures) legislation, regardless of how 'libertarian' they are. WM has always been decreed and defined (and never on a voluntary basis) ever since the

[USMA:45141] Re: News : ADOT defends replacing metric signs along I-19 : Nogales International : Nogales, AZ

2009-05-30 Thread John M. Steele
Well, the law would let Arizona do whatever the hell they want.  Unfortunately, they apparently want Customary.   Road signage is controlled by the MUTCD (Manual for Uniform Traffic Control Devices).  In the spirit of perfect duality the Federal government allows the signs themselves to be of

[USMA:45142] Fwd: Draft Directive on Units

2009-05-30 Thread mechtly
---BeginMessage--- Dear Brian: The draft Management Directive on units of measurement has been brought to my attention. As a veteran of ten years service at NASA-MSFC, and author of NASA SP-7012, before joining the faculty at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign where I did upper

[USMA:45143] Re: Draft Directive on Units

2009-05-30 Thread Jason Darfus
Eugene, Also please forward your email to Jeffrey Hanley, the NASA Constellation program manager. I was unable to find a NASA email for him, but he's on LinkedIn if anyone has an account there: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/jeff-hanley/b/556/6b4 On Monday, everyone on this list is to pick

[USMA:45144] Letter to Whitehouse re: NASA english CxP

2009-05-30 Thread Jason Darfus
Here we are in the 21st century with a history making President who promised change. I just heard that NASA intends to stay with the un-modern, un- scientific, incoherent, 19th century English set of measurement units for its Constellation program, the program that is to replace the space

[USMA:45145] Re: Letter to Whitehouse re: NASA english CxP

2009-05-30 Thread John M. Steele
Good idea.  We should all write.  The body text of my letter follows:   I have just read that NASA plans to return to english units  (US Customary) as their primary units of measure on a space mission that involves cooperation with other country's space agencies..

[USMA:45146] Re: NASA Going English

2009-05-30 Thread Victor Jockin
We've lost NASA. I have to say that for me, at least, I consider this to be a watershed moment, and something of a final defeat. You could make a case that the critical final defeat came earlier (state DOTs, etc.), but NASA was still there as a bastion of reason, and it seemed they were

[USMA:45147] Re: News : ADOT defends replacing metric signs along I-19 : Nogales International : Nogales, AZ

2009-05-30 Thread STANLEY DOORE
Replacing metric signs is completely understandable since it will spend stimulus funds. The object of stimulus funding is to spend money and create jobs for any project regardless of productivity or need. A purpose of stimulus funding is to put the US further into debt. Replacing

[USMA:45148] RE: News : ADOT defends replacing metric signs along I-19 : Nogales International : Nogales, AZ

2009-05-30 Thread John M. Steele
Apparently, the wasting money argument has some traction.  This article reports the decision has been put on hold by the governor and is under review. http://www.pddnet.com/news-ap-i-19-metric-signs-change-on-hold-pending-review-053009/   --- On Fri, 5/29/09, Stan Jakuba jak...@snet.net wrote:

[USMA:45149] Re: NASA Going English

2009-05-30 Thread brian
But wait.we could get Jerry to be militant.   That would do it I think.   They'd immediately see the wrong of their ways if he were involved.Seriously though, this boggles my mind.   I'm serious when I say, we should all email and call the guy...let's start a grassroots effort here.  Get

[USMA:45150] Re: NASA Going English

2009-05-30 Thread Victor Jockin
I strongly agree that mandatory conversion in the only answer, but I also believe it will not happen in the US within the lifetimes of anyone reading this. The US metric conversion debacle of the last 40 years makes for an interesting case study in American government. In short, I think our

[USMA:45151] Re: NASA Going English

2009-05-30 Thread brian
Interesting also who the primary contractor is.  Lockheed Martin.same contractor that built the doomed Mars Climate Orbiter due to Metric to English conversion issues.   I'm sure NASA came under serious pressure by Lockheed Martin to allow English units.there is more to this story I'm

[USMA:45152] Re: NASA Going English

2009-05-30 Thread Paul Armstrong
On 2009-05-29, at 16:11-0700, John M. Steele wrote: Unbelievable. http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=31353 Quoted from link: Subject: New Management Directive on Units All, You've all heard the news that we're going back to English as the primary unit of measure. Attached is

[USMA:45153] Fwd: Constellation Management Directive to use English (US Customary) units instead of metric

2009-05-30 Thread ezra . steinberg
Gentlemen: Here is the answer I just got from someone at NASA Watch. I am not familiar with their politics or perspective regarding NASA, but his answer seems quite plausible. Bad news all around. Ezra - Forwarded Message - From: Keith Cowing kcow...@spaceref.com To: ezra

[USMA:45154] Re: Letter to Whitehouse re: NASA english CxP

2009-05-30 Thread Paul Armstrong
Here's my letter to Obama: I saw today that NASA plans on putting our astronauts lives at risk by using customary measurements as their primary measurement system for the Constellation Program (instead of using exclusively SI). This means we're going to end up with another Mars Orbiter