John David Anderson wrote:
If you want people to join the list, you need to make it work for more
people. (?) My own personal experience has been that the list seems
very tight-knit. Weeks passed before I felt like I knew what everyone
was talking about. I also wasn't completely sure what list I
>I say we do it.
>
>
Here here!
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> Lists are how things are done in the GNU/Linux/BSD/FLOSS/fillintheblank
> world.
Fork the tradition! :-)
> It's that way for a reason and it's more then just a proud
> tradition - it's how things get done. If you do a forum, it will stink
> as bad as every other forum out there.
For things
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:42:39PM -0600, Michael Moore wrote:
> > > How 'bout a forum?
>
> I think a forum would be a great idea. I have a question though. What
> would happen to the mailing list?
>
> Would it be delegated to be a mere announcement service? Would we stop
> using it? What would p
On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 23:42 -0600, Michael Moore wrote:
> > > How 'bout a forum?
>
> I think a forum would be a great idea. I have a question though. What
> would happen to the mailing list?
> Would it be delegated to be a mere announcement service? Would we stop
> using it? What would prompt peo
Scott K wrote:
I've been too swamped to post this to the list yet, but this is an
important point that hasn't really been covered. Topher has
considerably less time and experience with the UUG than the other
candidates. From what I've seen, he's really only been involved this
semester, while t
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:26:29PM -0600, Adam Findley wrote:
> > How 'bout a forum?
> >
> > 1. It would be easier to sort discussion by topic, letting those
> > interested in elections to chat freely without disturbing anyone else.
> >
> > 2. New users could see the fruits of past discussions wi
--- Trevan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a similar question. My web host gives me access to my
> mysql database through phpmyadmin. It uses http authentication
> to make sure it is me. Now, I just recently made me a ssh key
> so that I can have https service. I can log in to phpmyadmin
>
> > How 'bout a forum?
I think a forum would be a great idea. I have a question though. What
would happen to the mailing list?
Would it be delegated to be a mere announcement service? Would we stop
using it? What would prompt people to check out the board to help the
noobs? Sometimes there isn't
> How 'bout a forum?
>
> 1. It would be easier to sort discussion by topic, letting those
> interested in elections to chat freely without disturbing anyone else.
>
> 2. New users could see the fruits of past discussions without having
> to resurrect old debates.
>
> 3. It would eliminate most t
---
How 'bout a forum?
1. It would be easier to sort discussion by topic, letting those
interested in elections to chat freely without disturbing anyone else.
2. New users could see the fruits of past discussions without having
to resurrect old debates.
3. It would eliminate most trimming proble
I have a similar question. My web host gives me access to my mysql
database through phpmyadmin. It uses http authentication to make sure
it is me. Now, I just recently made me a ssh key so that I can have
https service. I can log in to phpmyadmin fine going through https, but
all the links
Hi folks,
I finally installed with the aid of Stuart got bzflag
working on my Compaq Presario with Ubuntu Linux. It
works kinda slow however. Considering that a 800 mhz
processor with 128 mb of RAM just doesn't cut it like
my Fujitsu Lifebook C.
But at least, I am glad that I am totally learning
> On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:40:23PM -0600, Michael Moore wrote:
> > Mysteriously, while Topher is behind in the polls, he becomes "Member
> > of the Day". Conicidence?
>
> and despite the fact that i've reported multiple times that my last name
> (and jake's as well) is misspelled on the election
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 08:40:23PM -0600, Michael Moore wrote:
> Mysteriously, while Topher is behind in the polls, he becomes "Member
> of the Day". Conicidence?
and despite the fact that i've reported multiple times that my last name
(and jake's as well) is misspelled on the election page, nothi
Mysteriously, while Topher is behind in the polls, he becomes "Member
of the Day". Conicidence?
We may never know.
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On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 07:20:10PM -0600, Alex Esplin wrote:
> I just installed Ubuntu 4.10 and I keep getting error messages on boot
> about pciehp and shpchp. I've been looking around a little on Google,
> and I've seen some people have said that they just blacklisted them,
> but I was wondering
> I just installed Ubuntu 4.10 and I keep getting error messages on boot
> about pciehp and shpchp. I've been looking around a little on Google,
> and I've seen some people have said that they just blacklisted them,
> but I was wondering if anyone knew what they are and why they need to
> be black
I just installed Ubuntu 4.10 and I keep getting error messages on boot
about pciehp and shpchp. I've been looking around a little on Google,
and I've seen some people have said that they just blacklisted them,
but I was wondering if anyone knew what they are and why they need to
be blacklisted. I
On Apr 4, 2005 3:51 PM, Scott Paul Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 02:26:29PM -0600, Drew A. Withers wrote:
> > /me feels bad. :(
> >
>
> I've been talking with Stuart off-list, and he wanted me to point that
> his leaving the list wasn't Drew's fault.
>
> It has to
Some final thoughts:
Perhaps some filter configuration tutorials are needed on the UUG
webpage to get those of us that don't know how to use them started.
Thanks for the idea, but the kind of 'filtering' I have in mind isn't
something that can be done by a machine.
The policies that would be in
On Apr 4, 2005, at 3:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For me OT = inappropriate.
by "inappropriate" i meant "not appropriate for BYU"... OT is
separate,
and is not currently within the job description of the moderator.
Just a suggestion then to make it so. We can get a script to watch for
notty w
On Apr 4, 2005, at 4:24 PM, Ross Werner wrote:
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, John David Anderson wrote:
For me OT = inappropriate.
[snip]
IHMO, I think that the main list isn't working out. I joined-and-quit
the list a year ago, only to rejoin and find that it is very traffic
heavy in non-Unix discussion.
I
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 02:26:29PM -0600, Drew A. Withers wrote:
> /me feels bad. :(
>
I've been talking with Stuart off-list, and he wanted me to point that
his leaving the list wasn't Drew's fault.
It has to do more with the general feeling of the list, and how the UUG
is changing. I'll quote
> The list has a "moderator", but the moderator's purpose is simply to
> handle issues with inappropriate posts.
--
>For me OT = inappropriate.
--
> I don't mind it in principle, I'm just
> wondering if there's a way we can channel it so everyone can enjoy club
> communication in the way they want.
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, John David Anderson wrote:
> For me OT = inappropriate.
> [snip]
> IHMO, I think that the main list isn't working out. I joined-and-quit
> the list a year ago, only to rejoin and find that it is very traffic
> heavy in non-Unix discussion.
I think the problem is that everybody
> For me OT = inappropriate.
by "inappropriate" i meant "not appropriate for BYU"... OT is separate,
and is not currently within the job description of the moderator.
> I don't think pre-moderation is necessary, just a little note from a
> semi-anonymous post-moderator asking to move threads
* John David Anderson [Mon, 4 Apr 2005 at 16:04 -0600]
> On Apr 4, 2005, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >>Does this list have a moderator? It would be nice to have a OT list
> >>for
> >>those who wanted to continue their conversations - this would allow
> >>the
> >>main list to be cut
On Mon, 4 Apr 2005, Brian Phillips wrote:
> > My appologies to those that didn't enjoy them. I thought they were a
> > riot last year when I wasn't running, and so figgured it must be what
> > to do this year when I am.
>
> I was a fan of them... until I logged on and had 150 new email messages.
On Apr 4, 2005, at 3:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does this list have a moderator? It would be nice to have a OT list
for
those who wanted to continue their conversations - this would allow
the
main list to be cut down in traffic...
The list has a "moderator", but the moderator's purpose is si
* Bryan Murdock [Mon, 4 Apr 2005 at 14:28 -0700]
> On Apr 4, 2005 2:15 PM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm not totally sure why, but your message has three addresses in the
> Reply-To field ([EMAIL PROTECTED], BYU Unix Users Group
> , uug-list@uug.byu.edu, and actually it looks
> like t
> > P.S. Josh is right, I'm all for fun off-topic discussions, but I get
> > the feeling the outrageous election campaign has only been
> > entertaining to those campaigning. Anyone else feel that way?
>
> My appologies to those that didn't enjoy them. I thought they were a
> riot last year when
> Does this list have a moderator? It would be nice to have a OT list for
> those who wanted to continue their conversations - this would allow the
> main list to be cut down in traffic...
The list has a "moderator", but the moderator's purpose is simply to
handle issues with inappropriate posts
> P.S. Josh is right, I'm all for fun off-topic discussions, but I get
> the feeling the outrageous election campaign has only been
> entertaining to those campaigning. Anyone else feel that way?
My appologies to those that didn't enjoy them. I thought they were a
riot last year when I wasn't run
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:58:21PM -0600, Andrew McNabb wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:27:07AM -0700, Ryan Bowman wrote:
> > Only Full-time students are considered members? Even
> > though I've been going to BYU since 2000 I can't vote
> > because this semester I've only got 6 credits? Why i
On Apr 4, 2005 1:06 PM, Adam Findley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm sorry but I'm not
> sure everyone has been fish slapped around ..
Oh he probably feels they have been, because he's been doing it on
this list for years, and not near as politely as he's been lately[1].
Apparently he's got
> > I believe bzflag is in a package list that you can install from
> > Synaptic package manager in ubuntu. I don't remember off the top of my
> > head if it is in the default ubuntu debian package lists or not, but I
>
> Does apt-get install BZflag not work?
>
I think I had to enable additional
On Apr 4, 2005 2:15 PM, Von Fugal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> /me wonders if it was the double-post that pushed him over the edge or
> just a moderate lack of trimming.
>
> I've been noticing a bunch of these double-posts lately. What gives? Is
> it something gmail is doing or is there a more mys
> > I believe bzflag is in a package list that you can install from
> > Synaptic package manager in ubuntu. I don't remember off the top of my
> > head if it is in the default ubuntu debian package lists or not, but I
> > just installed it two days ago and it was there. I will double check
> > when
On Apr 4, 2005, at 3:01 PM, Josh Coates wrote:
/me feels bad. :(
i wouldnt worry about it. stuart won't be missing much.
this list has been dead for two weeks now (election & post-halcrow
policy
crap) and there is no end in sight.
don't get me wrong, it's been entertaining and all (this list ha
* Jon Jensen [Mon, 4 Apr 2005 at 15:19 -0600]
> When you specify a different host or port number (as in this example), this
> happens automatically, so the [R] is redundant. If it were simply rewriting
> the url on the server side without actually sending the browser a redirect,
> it wouldn't actu
> To avoid rewriting every single request, you could tag a [R]
> on the end of the rewrite rule. That just tells it not to
> redirect transparently.
> The browser is informed of the new location and subsequent
> requests are already on https.
>
> Von Fugal
When you specify a different host or
On Apr 4, 2005 1:36 PM, Drew A. Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I believe bzflag is in a package list that you can install from
> Synaptic package manager in ubuntu. I don't remember off the top of my
> head if it is in the default ubuntu debian package lists or not, but I
> just installed it
/me wonders if it was the double-post that pushed him over the edge or
just a moderate lack of trimming.
I've been noticing a bunch of these double-posts lately. What gives? Is
it something gmail is doing or is there a more mysterious hand at work
here? I call for a slew of sleuths to get to the b
>/me feels bad. :(
i wouldnt worry about it. stuart won't be missing much.
this list has been dead for two weeks now (election & post-halcrow policy
crap) and there is no end in sight.
don't get me wrong, it's been entertaining and all (this list has a good
sense of humor) but for the last two
On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 12:48 -0700, Stuart Jansen wrote:
> PS: I'm serious.
If you leave, it will only get worse. We have learned our lesson so
stick around. Please? We need someone to wield the fish who isn't
afraid to use it.
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T
* Gary Thornock [Mon, 4 Apr 2005 at 12:40 -0700]
> > Never used the %{HTTPS} variable before, so I can't say for sure
> > why that doesn't work... I usually do it this way instead:
> >
> > RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} !443
> > RewriteRule ^.*$ https://%{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI}?%{QUERY_STRING}
> >
> I'm unsubscribing because the majority of this list
> doesn't seem to care about learning proper etiquette anymore. Gmail
> users, I'm looking at you.
I'm sorry I am the gmail user you are looking at. If I understand your
complaint correctly then I must admit that I got lazy and I know
better th
> That's it. I quit. I'm unsubscribing because the majority of this list
> doesn't seem to care about learning proper etiquette anymore. Gmail
> users, I'm looking at you.
Stuart, I'm all about following proper ettiquite. I regret your
decision to leave the list because some of us are not well in
> /me grabs a flounder and slaps around Adam Findley for not trimming
Forgive me, I am rather clueless as to proper ettiquite on posting to
a mailing list. Although I post regurlarly on message boards (which
seem to be much easier to manage) I am haven't been exposed to mailing
lists.
Yes Gmail
On Monday 04 April 2005 11:34 am, DNA3e8 wrote:
> But the point is, Why is there NO 'forgot password button' in the
> login script!!!
Last I heard, the current version of MUG does have this option. But the UUG
site is not running the most recent version. It's running a pretty old
version from
I wish I could say that I enjoy this game, but it really seems kind of
weak in terms of graphics, excitement and strategy. Perhaps I have not
played it enough to realize its potential. Am I missing something?
On Apr 4, 2005 1:43 PM, Michael Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> An FYI for those not i
On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 13:36 -0600, Drew A. Withers wrote:
> (some helpful things about bzflag on Ubuntu that I've removed because
> they don't really matter, all )
That's it. I quit. I'm unsubscribing because the majority of this list
doesn't seem to care about learning proper etiquette anymore.
An FYI for those not in the know about BZflag: There's now a version 2!
>From the website: "The old stable version of BZFlag was 1.10.8. It is
not compatible with the current 2.0.x versions. Please upgrade."
Version 2 has some cool new flags, and better graphics (round tank
parts fly off now!).
> Never used the %{HTTPS} variable before, so I can't say for sure
> why that doesn't work... I usually do it this way instead:
>
> RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} !443
> RewriteRule ^.*$ https://%{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI}?%{QUERY_STRING}
>
> Jon
That looks like it's working. Thanks!
PGP Key ID: 07
On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 13:26 -0600, Adam Findley wrote:
> On Apr 4, 2005 1:12 PM, Stuart Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > If you are elected webmaster, Adam, you will probably be working with
> > me. We're not going to get along so well if you don't quit being lazy.
> > Go ahead, ignore c
Adam Findley wrote:
>On Apr 4, 2005 1:12 PM, Stuart Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>If you are elected webmaster, Adam, you will probably be working with
>>me. We're not going to get along so well if you don't quit being lazy.
>>Go ahead, ignore community standars, top post. I'll live
I believe bzflag is in a package list that you can install from
Synaptic package manager in ubuntu. I don't remember off the top of my
head if it is in the default ubuntu debian package lists or not, but I
just installed it two days ago and it was there. I will double check
when I go home today.
D
Hi guys,
Sorry to be pesty but I seriously don't know what to
do at the command line apparently.
I went to the bzflag website and can't figure out
which version to downtown for my ubuntu linux. Plus I
think that u need to use the command line to install
the software onto the desktop and I need so
On Apr 4, 2005 1:12 PM, Stuart Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 12:20 -0600, Adam Findley wrote:
> > If the password is not accessible in the database (as in it's stored
> > as an md5 hash), it is simple to set up a script by which the user
> > must reset their password, in
--- Andrew McNabb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:27:07AM -0700, Ryan
> Bowman wrote:
> > Only Full-time students are considered members?
> I agree. This should, in my opinion, be changed to
> include part-time
> students. Unfortunately, you didn't bring this up
> befor
On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 12:20 -0600, Adam Findley wrote:
> If the password is not accessible in the database (as in it's stored
> as an md5 hash), it is simple to set up a script by which the user
> must reset their password, in a secure manor.
I want a secure manor. Especially is the UUG is buying.
On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 11:32 -0700, Gary Thornock wrote:
> I have a couple of services (e.g. squirrelmail) on my web server that
> I would like to force to use SSL, but I don't want to require SSL for
> everything. I'm thinking mod_rewrite is probably a good way to go,
> but it's not working yet.
This worked for me:
RewriteEngine on
RewriteCond %{SERVER_PORT} !^443$
RewriteRule . https://%{HTTP_HOST}%{REQUEST_URI} [L]
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On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 10:27:07AM -0700, Ryan Bowman wrote:
> Only Full-time students are considered members? Even
> though I've been going to BYU since 2000 I can't vote
> because this semester I've only got 6 credits? Why is
> that? I still pay tuition, go to classes on campus,
> belong to th
> I have a couple of services (e.g. squirrelmail) on my web
> server that I would like to force to use SSL, but I don't
> want to require SSL for everything. I'm thinking mod_rewrite
> is probably a good way to go, but it's not working yet.
> Here's an example of the rules I'm using (with the
I have a couple of services (e.g. squirrelmail) on my web server that
I would like to force to use SSL, but I don't want to require SSL for
everything. I'm thinking mod_rewrite is probably a good way to go,
but it's not working yet. Here's an example of the rules I'm using
(with the server name c
On Mon, 2005-04-04 at 18:19 +, Soren Harward wrote:
> Have him email the sysadmin (ie, me or Harsh) and we can reset it for
> him given sufficient evidence of his identity.
DNA should do.
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If the password is not accessible in the database (as in it's stored
as an md5 hash), it is simple to set up a script by which the user
must reset their password, in a secure manor.
Adam Findley
On Apr 4, 2005 11:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:34:
Agreed. I have done *several* and would more than happily implement this.
I hope this april fool's vote scripting has not tainted everyone's
view, for I do truly have an understanding of the responsibilty of
managing a web server. I have managed my fair share in times past,
from NT 4.0, to FreeB
On Mon 04 Apr 2005 at 11:34:29, DNA3e8 said:
> so we will test you ability to 'help the UUG";
>
> this is a freind i have. who became a member of UUG.
> Now as he relizes the rescource it is, wishes to be more active i the UUG.
> but has forgotten his password
>
> But the point is, Why is t
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 11:34:29AM -0600, DNA3e8 wrote:
> so we will test you ability to 'help the UUG";
>
> this is a freind i have. who became a member of UUG.
> Now as he relizes the rescource it is, wishes to be more active i the UUG.
> but has forgotten his password
>
> But the point i
> so we will test you ability to 'help the UUG";
>
> this is a freind i have. who became a member of UUG.
> Now as he relizes the rescource it is, wishes to be more active i the UUG.
> but has forgotten his password
>
> But the point is, Why is there NO 'forgot password button' in the
> log
so we will test you ability to 'help the UUG";
this is a freind i have. who became a member of UUG.
Now as he relizes the rescource it is, wishes to be more active i the UUG.
but has forgotten his password
But the point is, Why is there NO 'forgot password button' in the
login script!!!
s
Only Full-time students are considered members? Even
though I've been going to BYU since 2000 I can't vote
because this semester I've only got 6 credits? Why is
that? I still pay tuition, go to classes on campus,
belong to the ECEn dept., etc. Hopefully this doesn't
sound rude or angry, or anyth
On Monday 04 April 2005 02:20 am, Andrew McNabb wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 02:08:17AM -0600, Jacob Albretsen wrote:
> > Consider this my official withdrawl from the Secretary / Librarian
> > running. Congrats Scott you win. One less race to worry about, one less
> > script to write so you ge
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 02:11:54AM -0600, Andrew McNabb wrote:
> We extend a special thanks to Diebold++ for the highly secure voting
> machines. Ha! Thanks to Scott for his coding services. The code is
> posted online (http://uug.byu.edu/election_2005.phps). Feel free to
> check it out.
>
Mi
I am writing to declare (again) my candidacy for the position of UUG
President.
I have been an active member of the Unix Users Group mailing list for
the past two years, and an active member at meetings for this past year.
During this past year in particular, as a member of the presidency, I
hav
Jacob Albretsen wrote:
During the last couple of weeks, I have witnessed a circus take place on this
email list. No, it's not the fun people have had campaigning.
While I've opted not to officially declare "my side" and reserved my comments
for the officers list, I've started to ask myself, d
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 02:08:17AM -0600, Jacob Albretsen wrote:
>
> Consider this my official withdrawl from the Secretary / Librarian running.
> Congrats Scott you win. One less race to worry about, one less script to
> write so you get all the votes. I hope you enjoy it.
>
Are you serio
April Fools was fun, but now they're for real. The elections have
begun. Try to put a little thought into it. And while the time-honored
slogan, "Vote early and often," is very motivational, voter fraud is
retarded.
Election page: http://uug.byu.edu/election_2005.php
We extend a special thanks
On Monday 04 April 2005 01:22 am, Scott K wrote:
> My opponent has grown fat and complacent in his position as librarian.
You're right, I have grown fat. I need to ride my bike more.
> He's even made promises about an election party rather than real reasons
> to vote for him.
I want to make jo
Scott K wrote:
I've been too swamped to post this to the list yet, but this is an
important point that hasn't really been covered. Topher has
considerably less time and experience with the UUG than the other
candidates. From what I've seen, he's really only been involved this
semester, while th
On Mon, Apr 04, 2005 at 12:50:11AM -0600, Scott K wrote:
> I've been too swamped to post this to the list yet, but this is an
> important point that hasn't really been covered. Topher has
> considerably less time and experience with the UUG than the other
> candidates. From what I've seen, he's rea
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