Re: [uug] [OT] MVC Arch - Model or Controller?

2009-08-07 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 02:30:42PM -0600, Michael Torrie wrote: > Stuart Jansen wrote: > > It is also violating the Churches apparent intention for the data to > > remain private. A proxy would shuttle raw encrypted bytes. A MITM can > > see the data, a proxy can't. I agree with Stuart that this i

Re: [uug] [OT] MVC Arch - Model or Controller?

2009-08-07 Thread Michael Torrie
Stuart Jansen wrote: > It is also violating the Churches apparent intention for the data to > remain private. A proxy would shuttle raw encrypted bytes. A MITM can > see the data, a proxy can't. Yes if this were offered as a web site to others, then yes I agree. If it was intended to be run perso

Re: [uug] [OT] MVC Arch - Model or Controller?

2009-08-07 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 14:07 -0600, Michael Torrie wrote: > Actually I should add that it can't be a man-in-the-middle attack > because it is not transparent (ie he has to manually browse to the proxy > page). And no one is attacking anyone. It is transparent. Most people won't understand the impl

Re: [uug] [OT] MVC Arch - Model or Controller?

2009-08-07 Thread Michael Torrie
Michael Torrie wrote: > Same thing. Actually I should add that it can't be a man-in-the-middle attack because it is not transparent (ie he has to manually browse to the proxy page). And no one is attacking anyone. BYU Unix Users Group http://uug.byu.edu/ The opinions ex

Re: [uug] [OT] MVC Arch - Model or Controller?

2009-08-07 Thread Michael Torrie
Stuart Jansen wrote: > On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 12:31 -0600, Michael Torrie wrote: >> Have I misunderstood what AJ is doing? > > Yes. You've described his app as a proxy. In reality, it's more like a > Man In The Middle attack. Same thing. BYU Unix Users Group http://uug.byu.ed

Re: [uug] [OT] MVC Arch - Model or Controller?

2009-08-07 Thread Stuart Jansen
On Fri, 2009-08-07 at 12:31 -0600, Michael Torrie wrote: > Have I misunderstood what AJ is doing? Yes. You've described his app as a proxy. In reality, it's more like a Man In The Middle attack. -- "XML is like violence: if it doesn't solve your problem, you aren't using enough of it." - Chris M

Re: [uug] [OT] MVC Arch - Model or Controller?

2009-08-07 Thread Michael Torrie
James Carroll wrote: > I would be especially careful now that a public record of what you are > doing has been made (on the UUG group archives). Wow! This isn't the RIAA here. Besides I think that unless I've totally misunderstood what AJ is doing, you all have definite misunderstood and are sim

Re: [uug] [OT] MVC Arch - Model or Controller?

2009-08-07 Thread James Carroll
I would be especially careful now that a public record of what you are doing has been made (on the UUG group archives). :D James On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Robert LeBlanc wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Andrew McNabb wrote: >> >> I'm curious what others on the list think, bu

Re: [uug] [OT] MVC Arch - Model or Controller?

2009-08-07 Thread Robert LeBlanc
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Andrew McNabb wrote: > I'm curious what others on the list think, but I'm pretty sure that if > you asked for permission, the Church (or at least its lawyers) would not > permit such a web service. My personal opinion would be that it's safer > (both in terms of

Re: [uug] [OT] MVC Arch - Model or Controller?

2009-08-07 Thread Andrew McNabb
On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 06:51:14PM -0400, AJ ONeal wrote: > I think it's fair to make a distinction between > > Web Site > Web Application > Web Service > > A web site would be a site where information is made publicly available. > > A web application would be like gmail - a tool that I use whic