Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Jon Wilson
On Mon, Aug 13, 2007 at 09:34:27PM -0700, Bryan Murdock wrote: > > I have a question for the group wisdom here. What is the best > free/cheap desktop virtualization for occasionally running a windoze > desktop under Linux? xen? vmplayer? vmware server? qemu? > parallels? virtualbox? > > Let

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Christer Edwards
Bryan Murdock wrote: > You mean like, if I want to connect _to_ the Virtualbox VM, it's a > pain? I can live with that. How about just browsing the web and > maybe accessing a file share from within the VM? > > Bryan Connecting *out* is simple enough, yes. Browsing, checking email, etc all work

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Bryan Murdock
On 8/14/07, Christer Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bryan Murdock wrote: > > So has anyone tried virtualbox lately? 'Cause I've heard the same > > thing, but haven't had a chance to see for myself. I'm looking for > > the next best thing here, i.e., one of you has seen for yourself. > > > >

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Christer Edwards
Bryan Murdock wrote: > So has anyone tried virtualbox lately? 'Cause I've heard the same > thing, but haven't had a chance to see for myself. I'm looking for > the next best thing here, i.e., one of you has seen for yourself. > > Bryan I've been using virtualbox and it is really pretty slick.

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Bryan Murdock
On 8/14/07, Adam Findley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Virtualbox I believe is built on qemu, and is supposed to be rather > light and fast. So has anyone tried virtualbox lately? 'Cause I've heard the same thing, but haven't had a chance to see for myself. I'm looking for the next best thing her

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Bryan Murdock
On 8/14/07, Adam Findley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/14/07, Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Xen is painful for installing windows, KVM is not. VMWare is nice, > > but its not open. > > Well put. I guess the first question you should be asking is how new > is your processor? if i

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Michael L Torrie
Robert LeBlanc wrote: > I would say VMware server is easier to use the VMplayer it is a pain to have > to rerun the scripts every time you update the kernel though. I haven't had > so many problems installing the tools in the guest, but that is harder in > VMplayer. Problem is there is no hardware

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread James Hearn
> I have heard people having success with Crossover Office. Have you > given that a shot? Unfortunately FFXI shows up as "Known not to work" on Crossover's site. -- James Hearn BYU Unix Users Group http://uug.byu.edu/ The opinions expressed in this message are the respon

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Adam Findley
On 8/14/07, Flaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/14/07, Stephen Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > what about cedega? > > Unfortunately it looks like Cedega doesn't support the game. At least > none of the compatibility lists show it as working. In any case, I'm > not a fan of the way Transgamin

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Flaw
On 8/14/07, Stephen Shaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what about cedega? Unfortunately it looks like Cedega doesn't support the game. At least none of the compatibility lists show it as working. In any case, I'm not a fan of the way Transgaming has treated the open-source community. I'm not sure I

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Stephen Shaw
On 8/14/07, James Hearn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > you can virtualize windows too under xen. They are fully virtualized > and > > so they will be slower. > > There are paravirtualized drivers, that work well, however cost. Any > 'XEN > > aware' paravirtualized guest will > > run at near/cl

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Stephen Shaw
On 8/14/07, Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Xen is painful for installing windows, KVM is not. VMWare is nice, > but its not open. > > My 2 cents (again) > > Installing windows is super easy. You just have to use a distro that has put effort into XEN :P In seriousness, installing w

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread James Hearn
> you can virtualize windows too under xen. They are fully virtualized and > so they will be slower. > There are paravirtualized drivers, that work well, however cost. Any 'XEN > aware' paravirtualized guest will > run at near/close native. No 3D support. Don't know if thats on the > roadmap o

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Adam Findley
On 8/14/07, Clint Savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Xen is painful for installing windows, KVM is not. VMWare is nice, > but its not open. Well put. I guess the first question you should be asking is how new is your processor? if it has virtualization support, then I highly recommend KVM, as i

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Clint Savage
Xen is painful for installing windows, KVM is not. VMWare is nice, but its not open. My 2 cents (again) Clint BYU Unix Users Group http://uug.byu.edu/ The opinions expressed in this message are the responsibility of their author. They are not endorsed by BYU, the BYU CS

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Stephen Shaw
On 8/14/07, Robert LeBlanc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would say VMware server is easier to use the VMplayer it is a pain to > have > to rerun the scripts every time you update the kernel though. I haven't > had > so many problems installing the tools in the guest, but that is harder in > VMpl

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-14 Thread Robert LeBlanc
I would say VMware server is easier to use the VMplayer it is a pain to have to rerun the scripts every time you update the kernel though. I haven't had so many problems installing the tools in the guest, but that is harder in VMplayer. Problem is there is no hardware graphics acceleration in Playe

Re: [uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-13 Thread Clint Savage
On 8/13/07, Bryan Murdock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow, I've been very impressed with the discussion on multimedia codecs > for The Church. Reminded me of the good old days of the UUG. Thanks, > everyone. > > I have a question for the group wisdom here. What is the best > free/cheap desktop

[uug] desktop virtualization

2007-08-13 Thread Bryan Murdock
Wow, I've been very impressed with the discussion on multimedia codecs for The Church. Reminded me of the good old days of the UUG. Thanks, everyone. I have a question for the group wisdom here. What is the best free/cheap desktop virtualization for occasionally running a windoze desktop under