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A lot of the collecting I do is based on faculty requests but they're requesting Glee and Twilight. An equally large chunk of the collecting I do, though, is based on what I think we *should* have to support broader curricular needs, and a lot of that comes from distributors like Bullfrog, Icar

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Hear, Hear. Jessica is correct in saying that there's a limited market for the films independent distributor's deal with. We, the librarians, know that better than anyone because there's limited viewership for those titles once they're in our collection. It's impossible for me to justify purc

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It has become increasingly clear to me (particular over the past three years) that the existing pricing model for indie docs is simply not viable. The $250-$450 gambit for indie docs will, I'm afraid, not continue to fly, even for moderately large and stable budgets such as mine (the large and stab

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Trust me, educational distributors would be thrilled if they could sell copies at $30 and basically make the same sum at selling it at $300, but it will never happen. I don't doubt you and James will buy a copy of films you would not otherwise, but many educational titles deal with very specialize

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Matt, James and Gary, This discussion is very timely as we are currently reviewing our pricing structure, both for PPR, non PPR to institutions and digital site licensing. We are aware that budgets for PPR are diminishing and that many institutions do not require the license since the DVDs are

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"If the library community wants to figure out a way to assure distributors they will literally sell 10 times the number of copies if they sell titles at $30 a pop, I guarantee you distributors would jump at the chance." It's not up to the library community to make assurances for the distributors

Re: [Videolib] How do you know when you've become an artist?] Fair Pricing for Independent Documentaries

Hello, Matt, You've got my attention. Let's talk. Elizabeth Bullfrog Films 800-543-3764 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Ball, James (jmb4aw) Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 10:13 AM To: Subject: R

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Just got my first offer from a distributor who wants to work on flexible pricing. Who else is interested? Matt __ Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia mattb...@virginia.edu 434-924-3812 On Jul 1, 2011, at 12:

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I think this is kind of different group of films Elizabeth. They do play in theaters and they will be released in the home market. While I understand some institutions may want to get PPR or buy them before they are available in the retail market, the issue for me is films that sadly have little or

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Dear All, As I said in my earlier note, many of our films are available without PPR for $30. For new releases, many of which we will be announcing over the coming weeks as they open in theaters, we will be asking $149 without PPR but if you want to place an order of more than five films from Ki

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We here at ro*co films are always willing to discuss flexible pricing when libraries are wanting to purchase multiple titles. We have such a small collection (unlike Bullfrog, Kino Lorber, Women Make Movies, etc), so lowering our prices to $60 just isn¹t an option for us, especially when we have no

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I remain a cynic. I don't want to be, but I know the financial situation behind small docs often on rarefied subjects. You may have some success with titles that could have a wider audience, but the majority of "educational" films are on very specialized subjects. The numbers really are that a dist

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For what it's worth I say the same. I do not buy PPR for the library unless there's no option. Bullfrog, WMM, et al., I would buy 10 $30 DVDs with no PPR for every $300 DVD I buy now -- currently just a few a year. Debbie Benrubi Associate Librarian Universi

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I am! Definitely. On 7/1/2011 9:38 AM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) wrote: Just got my first offer from a distributor who wants to work on flexible pricing.  Who else is interested? Matt __

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HEY I HAVE THE SOLUTION. Let's do our own Groupons. Say a distributor has a new film about the women fighting for the right to drive in Saudi Arabia ( or any subject you want) They put it up on their site two months before release for pre-orders at $30 each and it "tips" 750 copies. If they can g

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We're all interested, Matt By the way, flexible doesn't mean basing pricing on institutional enrollment or FTE metrics. gary > Just got my first offer from a distributor who wants to work on flexible > pricing. Who else is interested? > > Matt > > __ > Matt Ball >

[Videolib] I guess we can agree on something

Jessica, too flukey. -Scott -- Scott Spicer Media Outreach and Learning Spaces Librarian University of Minnesota Libraries - Twin Cities 341 Walter Library spic0...@umn.edu612.626.0629 Media Services: lib.umn.edu/media SMART Learning Commons: smart.umn.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage t

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We at AFD/Typecast Films are always open to negotiating discounts to help libraries or individuals work within tight budgets—especially when multiple titles are ordered. Just give me a call! Though we do have quite a few titles available only with PPR (more obscure titles that folks aren't clamori

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I actually use a lot of groupons. On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:54 PM, scott spicer wrote: > Jessica, too flukey. > > -Scott > > -- > Scott Spicer > Media Outreach and Learning Spaces Librarian > University of Minnesota Libraries - Twin Cities > 341 Walter Library > spic0...@umn.edu612.626.0629 >

[Videolib] Groupon suggestion..

Apologies for the spamming, but this got buried in the thread on post. I am interested to hear folks take on this, and it appears Jessica reached a similar conclusion at the same time: Just a thought experiment here... I understand that smaller distributors do not want to devalue their collectio

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I think I was 15 minutes ahead of you, but then I just read a Vanity Fair profile on Groupon. I think we could try to set something up, however the issue with current & older titles might be libraries who bought them at full price getting upset, but i guess you can't do much about that. I do think

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Dear Matt, As a non-profit organization, Newsreel feels our first commitment is get our films seen by as many people as possible, so we would prefer you to buy ten films at $30 dollars, than one at $300. But, at the same time, we think it's important to pay the producers of a film a royalty which

Re: [Videolib] Groupon suggestion..

I'd like to hear from John and Winnie from Bullfrog, Jon Miller from Icarus, Larry Daressa from California Newsreel, Debbie Zimmerman from WMM, and whoever is in charge of Filmakers...and other indie distributors Gary > I think I was 15 minutes ahead of you, but then I just read a Vanity Fair >

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I like the Groupon idea. It is all about getting the guaranteed volume. Bob Robert A. Norris Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. Email: b...@filmideas.com Web:www.filmideas.com www.FIChannels.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues rela

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Dear Scott & Gary Sure! If you can organize 100 libraries to order our (new! Great!) BEES film next week, we will gladly meet your price. Best Jonathan -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@li

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Larry, I'm sorry, but some of your assumptions about how films are being used in the academic curriculum are not correct. Twilight is widely used. Wall-E is widely used. Do you know what is never NOT on reserve? The Simpsons. I'm not just talking about film and television studies courses either.

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Hi Matt, We’ll play! By my calculations your offer means, based on your purchases from us last year, that you are ready to order 290 titles from us for $60 each (and without PPR). Our only stipulations would be a) no titles from this or last year, and b) place your order before Labor Day!

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Jon You can't organize 100 to do ANYTHING, let alone do it next week. gary > Dear Scott & Gary > > Sure! If you can organize 100 libraries to order our (new! Great!) BEES > film > next week, we will gladly meet your price. > > Best > > Jonathan > > > -Original Message- > From: videolib-

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Larry, and everyone, What a great discussion we've entered into! Larry, I'm on my way to Boston and will try to reply once I get there. Also, thanks to everyone who has contacted me off-list. I'm clearing my calendar for Tuesday when I'm back at work and look forward to talking with you al

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Ok, so tell me - when? JM -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:45 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Groupon suggestion..

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Submitting my order for Bees now. Erika * * * * * * Erika Peterson Director of Media Resources Carrier Library, James Madison University (540) 568-6770 http://www.lib.jmu.edu/media On 7/1/11 2:28 PM, "Jonathan Miller" wrote: >Dear Scott & Gary > >Sure! If you

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Maybe distributor's interested in the experiment could make some Groupon type offers available at NMM? E * * * * * * Erika Peterson Director of Media Resources Carrier Library, James Madison University (540) 568-6770 http://www.lib.jmu.edu/media On 7/1/11 2:44 PM,

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Not an exaggeration (by the way from whom did you buy that lesbian frog doc? Sounds like it would be useful at Berkeley) The one thing that I think you're not taking into account, Erika, is collection development for longer term research (as opposed to immediate support of specific curricula). Th

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Great idea! JM -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Peterson, Erika Day - petersed Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 2:51 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Groupon suggestion.. Maybe dis

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Good point, Gary. I too am far less inclined to make purchases to fill out my collection or support these longer term needs than I was 5 years ago-- to the detriment of all. E * * * * * * Erika Peterson Director of Media Resources Carrier Library, James Madison Unive

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I once turned down a French film on Mollusks of the North Atlantic that was subtitled in English. I told them, "If only it had voice-over" Best, Elizabeth Elizabeth Sheldon Vice President Kino Lorber, Inc. 333 W. 39th St., Suite 503 New York, NY 10018 (212) 629-6880 On Jul 1, 2011, at 2:47

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I would be happy to organize some kind of offer at NMM! Ursula Schwarz National Media Market P.O. Box 87410 Tucson, AZ 85754-7410 (520) 743-7735 http://www.nmm.net/ From: "Peterson, Erika Day - petersed" Reply-To: Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 18:50:59 + To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu" Subj

Re: [Videolib] How do you know when you've become an artist?

Everyone, This is a really important discussion to have that goes to the core of so much, though perhaps difficult to have it effectively on a listserv -- and right before a long weekend. We might need to take this into another forum to try to come up with some solutions that work for all -

[Videolib] Attend the National Media Market - negotiate video pricing

Hi folks, We seemed to have branched from circulation to pricing... I'm throwing in a plug here encouraging folks to attend the National Media Market. The NMM really is a great way to get to talk about these issues with librarians and video vendors. It isn't the exhibit hall hell of ALA. You li

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In response to the Groupon suggestion and Gary's query, Filmakers Library would love to participate. We'll put our heads together and come up with a specific offer either for NMM or before, but consider us interested! Linda On Jul 1, 2011, at 2:22 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrot

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Jon, I pitched this to our Entymology Librarian, and we are in for "The Strange Disappearance of Bees". So 98 more to go for the $200 price? ;) I don't want to play my hand but one of our Entymology faculty, Dr. Marla Spivak, just won a MacArthur Genius grant and I'm told we have this new Bee La

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Count me in. 97 left. gary > Jon, > > I pitched this to our Entymology Librarian, and we are in for "The Strange > Disappearance of Bees". So 98 more to go for the $200 price? ;) I don't > want to play my hand but one of our Entymology faculty, Dr. Marla Spivak, > just won a MacArthur Genius

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I'm in. On 7/1/2011 2:13 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Count me in. 97 left. gary Jon, I pitched this to our Entymology Librarian, and we are in for "The Strange Disappearance of Bees". So 98 more to go for the $200 price? ;) I don'

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Nice. I count four (4) so far - to keep the momentum going, I will cut the # of orders required to only 50. So, just 46 to go! JM From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Deborah Benrubi Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 5:25 P

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Hi Larry, First of all, thank you for taking the time to write such a thoughtful response. You'll find my comments below. As a non-profit organization, Newsreel feels our first commitment is get our films seen by as many people as possible, so we would prefer you to buy ten films at $30 dollars

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Excellent! Glad you want to play. I was proposing a pricing model as a new paradigm for doing business rather than something that's more of a limited time special offer. No titles from the last two years, order in by Labor Day? Still, let's talk on Tuesday when I get back to the office. Mat