Hi folks -
There is currently a discussion on the lute list
concerning Beethoven and Giuliani which really has nothing
to do with lutes. I would like to move the discussion to this
list, the VIHUELA list, but I would also like to
change the name to something that would be more in keeping
I vote for Baroque guitar. Early guitar could even be Villa-Lobos on gut
strings.
Lex
Hi folks -
There is currently a discussion on the lute list
concerning Beethoven and Giuliani which really has nothing
to do with lutes. I would like to move the discussion to this
list, the VIHUELA
At 10:38 AM 9/6/2005, Wayne Cripps wrote:
For my part, I am near to the limit of mail lists
that I can manage. I have this fear that if I start an
EARLY-GUITAR list that it will soon get many subscribers and
take too much time and energy to manage. But I don't really
know how many people are
Let's call it [CHARANGO] :)...
I vote to keep it [VIHUELA]. There are plenty of other lists for
Guitar, where Sor and Giuliani are more on topic.
So far I feel the list is doing great and usually can't wait to get home
from work to play through all the examples...
To get on or off this list
I have no way of knowing, but I suspect a list to explicitly include guitar
into the 19th c. will not attract too many more than the list named
vihuela has already. Where you find numbers of guitarists, in the ranks
of amateur modern classical guitarists, they seem to have precious little
At 11:12 AM 9/6/2005, Fossum, Arthur wrote:
Let's call it [CHARANGO] :)...
I vote to keep it [VIHUELA]. There are plenty of other lists for
Guitar, where Sor and Giuliani are more on topic.
So far I feel the list is doing great and usually can't wait to get home
from work to play through all the
Let's call it [CHARANGO] :)...
I vote to keep it [VIHUELA].
Seconded.
RT
There are plenty of other lists for
Guitar, where Sor and Giuliani are more on topic.
So far I feel the list is doing great and usually can't wait to get home
from work to play through all the examples...
From: Fossum, Arthur [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Let's call it [CHARANGO] :)...
I vote to keep it [VIHUELA]. There are plenty of other lists for
Guitar, where Sor and Giuliani are more on topic.
So far I feel the list is doing great and usually can't wait to get home
from work to play through all
From the intro :
This list serves to provide a place for the discussion of all matters
pertaining to vihuelas, the Spanish plucked instrument of the sixteenth
century, and to renaissance and baroque guitars.
So even though the list has been dominated in the last few weeks by
Baroque Guitar, it is
At 11:40 AM 9/6/2005, Fossum, Arthur wrote:
As far as lists for CG there are two yahoo lists, there is the cg-hist
list, the Eskimo list. All of these could cover 19th century performing
practice etc.
All these could...but don't. I am on several guitar forums and serve as a
moderator of one.
From: Lex Eisenhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There used to be the CGH-list, moderated (indirectly) by Matanya Ophee.
There used to be a lot of traffic. After a Big Bang the list died. I even
never unsubscribed. I'm afraid a new Romantic Guitar list will become a
battlefield.
I don't want that!
Anyone else want to start an early romantic guitar list? I am
afraid that my system is not set up to let another person
work in a list. It is not manager-friendly.
Wayne
The easiest thing is to start a new romantic guitar community on
http://livejournal.com
RT
I wouldn't know. The pieces by Colista for guitar that I've seen are
mediocre. I happen to Like Bartolotti and Corbetta
As you haven't seen it, other than in two manuscripts copied in the 18th
century you can't evaluate it. All that you can say is that you know
nothing about it. So
I agree with Eugene (see blw), there are no lists as far as I can see on which
one would find, say, a discussion of Scheidler's and Molitor's guitar sonates
and their relation to the Gallichon?Mandora and from thence the impact of
Guiliani in Vienna (it seems that the earlier composers were
i think you're all being beastly.
i'm here for the music - regardless of one's
chordaphone of choice (call it what you will) and some
e-bonhomie.
high five - bill
and thus i made...a small vihuela from the shell of a creepy crawly... - Don
Gonzalo de Guerrero (1512), Historias de la
I concur with Eugene (how's your darts play coming along, Eugene?) and
Martyn - I don't think the response to an Early Guitar list would be
exactly overwhelming; it could be useful however.
SY
--
Stanley Yates
http://www.StanleyYates.com
On 9/6/05 11:12 AM, Martyn Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They actually work just as well for the French tuning. The 5th
course
is
tuned in unison at the upper octave. When it is stopped at the 5th
fret,
the thin string of the 4th course - which is next to it - can be tuned
in
unison with it. When the 4th course is stopped at the 5th
In the third bar it goes onto the 2nd course -
But don't forget that from here to the end most of the notes on the 4th
course will also sound an octave higher - creating a completely different
treble line from what you imagine.
it doesn't matter that
there's no strict voice leading
Then Corbetta is to blame, he does that sort of thing all the time.
Not Corbetta - You! Alfabeto chords do not have a functional bass note - or
rather they are all in root position. This is simply an F minor chord.
Indeed unsatisfactory. But where is the d from the fourth course going? No
I don't do anything. It is all Wayne's work. Understandably, Wayne wasn't
very keen on starting a vihuela/baroque guitar group, or the cittern group,
but was persuaded otherwise. I think both groups have been relatively
successful, with periods of fallow and periods of plenty.
When Wayne
Within few years someone will prove that they
used
an octave e'' to the first course.
This is complete nonsense,
Indeed, that's what it is.
Sometimes I'm not sure whether you are serious either! I thought at first
you were joking about including all the open courses in Foscarini -
I vote for Baroque guitar. Early guitar could even be Villa-Lobos on gut
strings.
Lex
I second that - never could abide Giuliani - heresy I know.
Monica
Hi folks -
There is currently a discussion on the lute list
concerning Beethoven and Giuliani which really has nothing
When Wayne informed me of the interest in expanding the topic to include
19th-century guitar, I said 'OK, but why not call it
earlyguitar?'. But now
I can see that he is worried about an influx of members and flame wars.
There is certainly the possibility of that. So far the vihuela and
There is certainly the possibility of that. So far the vihuela and baroque
guitar community have got along fine, except for the stupid
attack by RT on
Matanya, which led to Matanya leaving the list to the general
loss. I can't
recall another contribution by RT since that time other than
Monica,
Further to the below, grtfl if you cld respond to my earlier message on
precisely this matter: I'm not always convinced by yr procrustean analysis.
rgds
Martyn
Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then Corbetta is to blame, he does that sort of thing all the time.
Not
I posted this on a different forum way back in December and received no
reply. I thought I'd take advantage of the knowledge on this list before
it potentially splits (if it does split, I can post to any list specific to
romantic-era guitar too and take full advantage of the split...if...).
I
As you haven't seen it, other than in two manuscripts copied in the 18th
century you can't evaluate it. All that you can say is that you know
nothing about it. So much of what you say simply ignores that fact that
we
have a very incomplete picture of what was really happening.
Oh no, I
As of now you can send a message to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
to get on or off the early-guitar list, and you
can send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to send a message to other people on the list.
(to get on the list, have the Subject: read subscribe)
So the Early-Guitar (as in early romantice guitar)
on further reflection i think the name vihuela
should stay. a list of a new name will only invite a
further exchange of is it or isn't it? ... and -
should i be accepted - another round of speciesist
charango bashing.
as it is, whenever vihuela is mentioned we can each
assume we're talking
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