[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra atiorbata

2009-08-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Presumably even if one string of the 5th course was at the lower octave (and I don't think we know that - do we?) the other (and that struck first by the thumb - as the lower basses) would be at the upper so that with basses at the upper octave the opening of the Preludio would make

[VIHUELA] Guitarre theorbee

2009-08-28 Thread Monica Hall
Corrected version now on line! Monica -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra atiorbata

2009-08-28 Thread Monica Hall
Did Gary Boye explain why he had thought the basses were low? Or was it just on the basis of Pinnell's old Early Music article which had also assumed this with no explanation (as discussed in our previous communications) thus perpetuating a the myth. I don't know... How

[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra atiorbata

2009-08-28 Thread Monica Hall
Well I must apologise first for a very silly mistake that I have made. In Granata's Tuning B I have not included the low octave strings on the 4th and 5th courses. These gives a clearer and rather dramatic picture of the way the courses overlap. I have temporarily put the corre

[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra atiorbata

2009-08-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Did Gary Boye explain why he had thought the basses were low? Or was it just on the basis of Pinnell's old Early Music article which had also assumed this with no explanation (as discussed in our previous communications) thus perpetuating a the myth. Regarding the representati

[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee cyrillienne

2009-08-28 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
Thanks for word. I hope Oleg's trip proves fruitful. Eugene > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Roman Turovsky > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:57 AM > To: 'Stuart Walsh'; Eugene C. Braig IV > Cc: 'Vihuelalist' > Subj

[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee cyrillienne

2009-08-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
Oleg is in Kiev, Ukraine on the Fullbright, and he has no internet yet. So he won't be able to offer any insight for now. RT - Original Message - From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" To: "'Stuart Walsh'" Cc: "'Vihuelalist'" Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:48 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitarr

[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee

2009-08-28 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
Of course indeed. Eugene > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Martyn Hodgson > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:38 AM > To: Monica Hall; Stuart Walsh > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee > > > >

[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee cyrillienne

2009-08-28 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
> -Original Message- > From: Stuart Walsh [mailto:s.wa...@ntlworld.com] > Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:20 AM > To: Eugene C. Braig IV > Cc: 'Vihuelalist' > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee > > Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: > > Oleg is a great scholar and fine player now based in

[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra atiorbata

2009-08-28 Thread Monica Hall
Well - I feel I am between the devil and the deep blue sea here. Gary Boye has transcribed all the music into staff notation and I looked through this. I also discussed it with him and he was surprised at the idea that the basses might be high. I didn't want to commit myself

[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra atiorbata

2009-08-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thank you Monica. As you'll know from our earlier exchanges, I agree with the conclusions about the guitarre theorbee. However there are a couple of significant points about the chitarra atiorbata which you seem to have overlooked or ignored and which point to a rather different c

[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee

2009-08-28 Thread Monica Hall
It has three open basses which are not covered by the courses on the fingerboard B A G. However the fifth course on the fingerboard is used only as an open course and the fourth course is stopped in only one place. The instrument seems to be designed to have almost entirely unstopped cours

[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee

2009-08-28 Thread Martyn Hodgson
But of course the Russian guitar employs overwound strings (as did the theorbo-like extension on the 19th century 'Bass' guitar as played by Mertz, Dubez and others) and produces a strong bass with relatively short basses and thus does not really tell us much about the earlier guit

[VIHUELA] Re: Guitarre theorbee

2009-08-28 Thread Stuart Walsh
Eugene C. Braig IV wrote: Oleg is a great scholar and fine player now based in Iowa City, but his "goes to eleven." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Timofeyev Eugene Interesting. I got the information about the Russian 10-string guitar from Oleg's Ph.D thesis (page 58). When I was looking