Well I must apologise first for a very silly mistake that I have
made. In Granata's Tuning B I have not included the low octave
strings on the 4th and 5th courses. These gives a clearer and rather
dramatic picture of the way the courses overlap.
I have temporarily put the corrected tuning on my
[1]www.earlyguitar.ning.com page.
I am in the process of correcting this and will then get long suffering
Rob to swop the files.
No excuse really but at one point I was considering whether the 4th and
5th courses were re-entrant.
In the opening bars of the preludio there will be a drop of a 7th at
the switch over from bass strings to 5th course if this has a low
octave string.
I must get the correct version sorted.
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: [2]Martyn Hodgson
To: [3]Monica Hall
Cc: [4]Vihuelalist
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra atiorbata
Did Gary Boye explain why he had thought the basses were low? Or was it
just on the basis of Pinnell's old Early Music article which had also
assumed this with no explanation (as discussed in our previous
communications) thus perpetuating a the myth.....
Regarding the representations, they may not be photographic quality but
I would have thought the general sizing of the instrument (particularly
the one Granata himself is shown playing) would have been roughly
accurate.
Martyn
--- On Fri, 28/8/09, Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
From: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra
atiorbata
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Friday, 28 August, 2009, 12:00 PM
Well - I feel I am between the devil and the deep blue sea here.
Gary Boye has transcribed all the music into staff notation and I
looked through this. I also discussed it with him and he was
surprised at the idea that the basses might be high.
I didn't want to commit myself too much with Granata until I have had
time to make my own transcriptions - which is very time consuming. I
was more concerned to sort out Gallot first and I may make some
revisions later.
I do think that we need to be cautious about the way we interpret
illustrations. They are not intended to show the instruments in
accurate detail. The Rabel drawings in particular don't seem to me to
be very reliable.
Monica
----- Original Message -----
From: [5]Martyn Hodgson
To: [6]Vihuelalist ; [7]Monica Hall
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Guitarre theorbee or rather Chittarra atiorbata
Thank you Monica.
As you'll know from our earlier exchanges, I agree with the conclusions
about the guitarre theorbee. However there are a couple of significant
points about the chitarra atiorbata which you seem to have overlooked
or ignored and which point to a rather different conclusion than you
(that these instruments had the basses at the low octave):
1. A duplicated bass G is not an objection to the high tuning of the
basses - Granata might have simply wished to have a continuous run of
free basses. For example to allow a fast run on them without having to
play the G away from the these basses and so interrupt the thumb's
stroke. Indeed, a good example of this is in the opening Preludio Bar 1
ie 12 11 X 9 8 7 6 0.....
2. The engraved depictions do not show the bass extensions 'slightly
less' than a theorbos - they are considerably and significantly less! -
this has a real bearing on the sound the basses make. Further, to
suggest that this particular feature has been incorrectly represented
by the engraver and can therefore be ignored is, I think, working
backwards from a presumed conclusion (ie that the basses were at the
low octave and thus needed to be longer than illustrated) rather than
taking the important evidence at its face value.
Martyn
--- On Thu, 27/8/09, Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
From: Monica Hall <mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [VIHUELA] Guitarre theorbee
To: "Vihuelalist" <vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Thursday, 27 August, 2009, 4:59 PM
Just to let you all know that the final version of my thoughts on
the
subject of the Guitarre theorbee is now on my own web page -
[1]www.monicahall.co.uk
It includes a staff notation transcription of all twelve pieces from
the Gallot manuscript.
Monica
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