[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Roman Turovsky
That is not true. Renaissance bass patterns certainly predate 17th century. RT - Original Message - From: "Monica Hall" To: "Lex Eisenhardt" Cc: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:13 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence Our ready ear is very much in

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Monica Hall
30s. I would prefer to take in account that an experienced theorbist-guitarist would perhaps have tried to expand the system of alfabeto from within. There was no need for them to expand the system of alfabeto from within. The experienced theorbist-guitarist could use lute tablature for this

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Monica Hall
Our ready ear is very much influenced/spoiled by functional harmony, I'm afraid. I suppose it went wrong so often (then) because the trick of finding the appropriate harmonies was to add 'middle voices' to a bass and soprano. I think you are mistaken here because throughout the 16th cent

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Well, stairway to heaven brings up an interesting issue of music, and that's imitation. How many kids learned that old saw without having a clue of what they were doing? (I can name one for certain...) To ask it a bit more politely, how often is theory invoked to explain what we a

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Dear Martyn, > You write '.how can you find the chords to a song if you have no idea of counterpoint and voice-leading at all...' . Surely this is why a such a basically simple chordal instrument is so popular even today - once you've mastered a few chords and have a reasonable

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Dear Lex, You write '.how can you find the chords to a song if you have no idea of counterpoint and voice-leading at all...' . Surely this is why a such a basically simple chordal instrument is so popular even today - once you've mastered a few chords and have a reasonable ear

[VIHUELA] Re: Valdambrini's evidence

2010-11-17 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
While Sanseverino tells us better not to use the guitar for plucking (in 1620, when alfabeto was the standard notation) we can suppose that he heard players doing that. Alfabeto is a form of shorthand. You can't have a system of shorthand which everyone interprets as they wish. Chord not