[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
Thanks for your thoughts, Monica. Eugene > -Original Message- > From: Monica Hall [mailto:mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 3:45 PM > To: Eugene C. Braig IV > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? > > Well - yes. A lot of

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Monica Hall
Well - yes. A lot of the pieces in Murcia's "Passacalles y obras" are actually his arrangements of pieces by other people and vary quite a lot. But stringing isn't obviously an issue. For example he has rearranged quite a few pieces by Campion which use different scordature in the original.

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
I like this thesis. Also, the music of these composers tends to exist both in publication and widely scattered manuscripts compiled by different individuals in different places. I wouldn't be surprised if different players transcribed it differently in their own manuscript versions to best suit t

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Monica Hall
I have just been reading part of the introduction to Alejandro Vera's edition of this new Murcia manuscript. In the passage dealing with the perenniel problem of which stringing to use he mentions that Neil Pennington thought Murcia's music was intended for the re-entrant tuning, Craig Russell

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Alexander Batov
They've been around in Russia too. There are two original 19th century 5-string bandurkas in the St-Petersburg collection; shallow-bodied, fairly small in size (the one on your link looks like a re-construction to me). By the way, I've never heard about 5-course bandurkas ... Also, I'm not sur

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
..And not to mention into the present in some Latin American folk traditions. Best, Eugene > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Roman Turovsky > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 1:04 PM > To: Alexander Batov > Cc: Vihu

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
Also, Lhoyer's early music never extends below a low A where his later music does. There is an evident transition to six strings as that format became increasingly popular. Best, Eugene > -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behal

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
5 course/string guitars survived into the 19th century in Ukraine: http://polyhymnion.org/images/bandurka.jpg ! RT - Original Message - From: "Alexander Batov" Cc: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 12:59 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? I do

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Alexander Batov
I don't think he ever did (the music just doesn't go lower than the open A string) but I suppose there is a presumption that it was most likely for a 5-string (i.e. single strung) guitar. 5-string guitars did certainly exist at the time. Also, some original 5-course guitars were converted to 5-

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Monica Hall
- Original Message - From: "Eugene C. Braig IV" To: "'Vihuelalist'" Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:45 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? -Original Message- From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Desp

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
> -Original Message- > From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On > Behalf Of Chris Despopoulos > Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:48 AM > To: Harlan Glotzer; Monica Hall > Cc: Vihuelalist > Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start? > >My pers

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Chris Despopoulos
One last clarification... I'm not suggesting any one method will solve all problems. Fate fore fend! I'm only relating my own experience as I've done my best to make sense out of one method of stringing. For me the bottom line is that it's loads of fun and it opens up musical pos

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Chris Despopoulos
To clarify, I do not use an octave on the G course. What I do is finger an octave G on the E course on a very few instances in one piece by Sanz (the 1st fugue), and for perhaps a couple of others (not necessarily Sanz) I'm considering a similar approach. I honestly find that fugue

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Monica Hall
Dear Everyone I think everything which Chris has said in his long message is very helpful and I agree with what he says. However I would not start out with the idea that most of the music is intended to be played with one method of stringing rather than another and that somehow you can eliminate

[VIHUELA] Re: Baroque guitar, where to start?

2011-02-03 Thread Peter Kooiman
Hello Franz, > but some quite odd with melodylines suddenly jumping an octave up or down. So > I suspected that these were not written for re-entrant tuning, or only the upper string > being re-entrant, but to take it like this seems also not convincing either. I find that m