[VIHUELA] Re: Carre 'Anche' - etc.........

2011-09-06 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
It's safe now to exhale... I think Lex is trying to argue that the "French" tuning originated with Carre and Corbetta just copied it because he thought this would make his music more acceptable to French players although it wasn't the tuning he used himself. Almost. I try to argue that the

[VIHUELA] Re: Carre 'Anche' - etc.........

2011-09-06 Thread Martyn Hodgson
. I'm still holding mine for the revelation of the principal issue.. MH From: Roman Turovsky To: Martyn Hodgson ; Monica Hall Cc: Vihuelalist Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2011, 17:02 Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Carre 'Anche' - etc. I knew I sh

[VIHUELA] Re: Carre 'Anche' - etc.........

2011-09-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
I knew I shouldn't have held my breath RT From: "Monica Hall" One other small point - I said To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[VIHUELA] Re: Carre 'Anche' - etc.........

2011-09-06 Thread Monica Hall
I think Lex is trying to argue that the "French" tuning originated with Carre and Corbetta just copied it because he thought this would make his music more acceptable to French players although it wasn't the tuning he used himself. One other small point - I said "Ms.Rés. 2344 which is dated

[VIHUELA] Re: Carre 'Anche' - etc.........

2011-09-06 Thread Monica Hall
I think Roman is right. I have spent enough time on this already and we have been over it all so many times in the past. There is really nothing more I wish to say. Monica - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "Martyn Hodgson" ; "Monica Hall" ; "Lex Eisenhardt" Cc: "V

[VIHUELA] Re: Carre 'Anche' - etc.........

2011-09-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
Only the European Court at he Hague knows the principal issue here, and it issued a gag order apropos. RT - Original Message - From: "Martyn Hodgson" To: "Monica Hall" ; "Lex Eisenhardt" Cc: "Vihuelalist" Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 10:38 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Carre 'Anc

[VIHUELA] Re: Carre 'Anche' - etc.........

2011-09-06 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Hello you two, I've been away a couple of days: can you kindly remind me of the principal issue in this latest exchange? It surely can't be that you aim to base an entire case on Carre's book rgds Martyn From: Monica Hall To: Lex Eisenhardt Cc: Vihuelalist Sent:

[VIHUELA] Re: Lute 2008 - Carre etc.

2011-09-06 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
There was a market for publishing guitar music in mixed style in Italy, from 1630 on. Not in France. How do you know? It may be that due to the economic situation in France - especially during the Fronde - that it wasn't practical to print music but that doesn't prove that players were not

[VIHUELA] Re: Carre 'Anche' -

2011-09-06 Thread Monica Hall
February 1671 indeed. We know that the printing of Corbetta's book was completed 31 October 1671. We don't know what he has changed or added between September 1670 and October 1671. I think it unlikely that Corbetta would have changed anything after being granted the licences because publicati

[VIHUELA] Re: Lute 2008 - Carre etc.

2011-09-06 Thread Monica Hall
Who from France studied guitar in Italy? In the introduction to his 1640 book Carbonchi says "Requests made by various scholars, particularly German, French and English gentlemen, made me decide to publish the present French tablature hoping in this way to be more helpful to French players and

[VIHUELA] Re: Carre 'Anche' -

2011-09-06 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
As I have explained several times the licences of Corbetta's La guitarre royale are dated September 1670 which means that he had assembled the book and was seeking permission to publish it.Carre was not granted a licence until 1671. February 1671 indeed. We know that the printing of Corbet

[VIHUELA] Re: Carre 'Anche' -

2011-09-06 Thread Monica Hall
plagiarism? That is the most obvious explanation although there could be others. I think very little of Carre's work is original. I don't think there is much doubt that Corbetta's book is earlier than Carre's. I don't see why we should believe that. As I have explained several times th