Re: new vim user

2014-05-22 Thread BPJ
2014-05-21 23:27, Elijah Griffin skrev: BPJ wrote: >My 'problem' is that I can't by any stretch of imagination think >of what's sjumped over by W as a 'word' -- it's usually at least >one word and then some punctuation. I'm probably a dinosaur for >havings so restrictive a view of what a 'word'

Re: new vim user

2014-05-21 Thread Elijah Griffin
BPJ wrote: > My 'problem' is that I can't by any stretch of imagination think > of what's sjumped over by W as a 'word' -- it's usually at least > one word and then some punctuation. I'm probably a dinosaur for > havings so restrictive a view of what a 'word' is, but so be it. > I guess I could re

Re: new vim user

2014-05-21 Thread BPJ
2014-05-21 15:44, Dan Lowe skrev: On Tue, May 20, 2014, at 01:13 AM, BPJ wrote: I also used to have problems with those, until I realized that they have or can be thought to have mnemonic names, which may not be obvious if English isn't your native language: Key Mnemonic |b|

Re: new vim user

2014-05-21 Thread Dan Lowe
On Tue, May 20, 2014, at 01:13 AM, BPJ wrote: > > I also used to have problems with those, until I realized that > they have or can be thought to have mnemonic names, which may not > be obvious if English isn't your native language: > > Key Mnemonic > > |b| |b|eginning o

Re: new vim user

2014-05-20 Thread Xenn
Op Tue, 20 May 2014 10:13:47 +0200 schreef BPJ : I also used to have problems with those, until I realized that they have or can be thought to have mnemonic names, which may not be obvious if English isn't your native language: Key Mnemonic |b| |b|eginning of this word

Re: new vim user

2014-05-20 Thread BPJ
Xen wrote, A lot of the difficulty of VIM is also that some commands require too much brain processing power for me. Examples are the b,B,w,W commands that are so unintuitive to me that I mess them up every time I use them to navigate, except as part of "cw", "dw", "cW" and "dW". I also used to

Re: new vim user

2014-05-19 Thread John Little
I'd emphasize Ethan's point about the help. Learn to use it, and you've learned to use vim, by and large. BTW, On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 12:58:47 PM UTC+12, Gary Johnson wrote: > It was pretty easy to learn everything there was to know about vi. For some ... maybe. After a decade and a half I

Re: new vim user

2014-05-19 Thread Kartik Singhal
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 5:08 AM, Ethan Hereth wrote: > Have you run through vimtutor? I remember the first time I walked all > the way through that after having used Vim a lot for a few years and I > still learned some things that I didn't know. After spending those precious 20-30 minutes with vi

Re: new vim user

2014-05-19 Thread Gary Johnson
On 2014-05-19, Ethan Hereth wrote: > On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Xen wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It's not like I'm really all that new to VIM but I can't say > > I've ever used it in a decent way. > > > > Much of what I know is just muscle memory from a past life. [...] > > Anyway, if you have a

Re: new vim user

2014-05-19 Thread Ethan Hereth
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Xen wrote: > Hi, > > It's not like I'm really all that new to VIM but I can't say I've ever used > it in a decent way. > > Much of what I know is just muscle memory from a past life. > > The way you use some long deceased piece of software (or a game) and still

new vim user

2014-05-19 Thread Xen
Hi, It's not like I'm really all that new to VIM but I can't say I've ever used it in a decent way. Much of what I know is just muscle memory from a past life. The way you use some long deceased piece of software (or a game) and still remember all the shortcuts. But I've never known even how