Re: Skype

2016-07-28 Thread Joseph Hudson
Hi, no it does work. There is a speaker phone button that you can punch after you have answered the call. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7...@gmail.com I device support Telephone 2543007667 Skype joseph.hudson89 facebook https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404

Re: Extracting audio from YouTube videos

2016-07-28 Thread Mohib Anwar Rafay
I am rather interested to know some application or computer software which could convert whole youtube playlist to audio format. On 7/28/16, rajmund wrote: > Hi, hae a PC or a note taker? If so, I may have a method for you, but as > that will be beyond IOS, write me at

RE: Audible iPhone Safari Workaround to Search for a Book

2016-07-28 Thread Alan Lemly
Mary, It works great for me and I'm not running the beta but iOS 9.3.3. Alan From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 1:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Audible iPhone Safari Workaround to

Skype

2016-07-28 Thread Steve Sweeney
Hi, If I'm on a audio skype call is there a way to get the iPhone to work on speaker phone or is that not going to happenz? Thx -Steve -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if

Re: Numbers or dates

2016-07-28 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I think Jeremy is just agreeing that he'd like to hear numbers and dates read out without hearing link. On 28/07/16 12:02, Monica Jones wrote: Can you be more specific? What is plus one? Is this an app or just do you type it in at some point? -Original Message- From: Jeremy Sent:

Re: Audible iPhone Safari Workaround to Search for a Book

2016-07-28 Thread Arnold Schmidt
I just checked into this situation of searching for a book with Safari, via the regular search form, being that I usually use the advanced search form. I got around the fact that the search link doesn't seem to speak at all by tapping the go button in the very bottom right corner of the

Voice dream reader cutting out

2016-07-28 Thread Mary Otten
I am sending this to two lists, because I know there are some on the Mac list who use I-devices and are not subscribed to the iPhone list. I have recently noticed that voice dream reader will sometimes cut out when I am reading a book from book share. I thought at first that there was a problem

RE: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Thanks, Mary, I guess I must have been dreaming. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 3:43 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini Nope. Holding

Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Mary Otten
Nope. Holding the screen in portrait mode does not make it like the iPhone. I have mine locked into portrait mode. I always use portrait mode unless some application forces landscape on me. And I still get that to pane thing in certain apps. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2016, at 3:35 PM,

RE: Ring doorbell app

2016-07-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Graham, I have ordered a Ring Video Doorbell, but since I ordered it using Air Miles reward points it can take a bit longer to arrive, they said something about mid August. Anyhow, once I have it installed I can provide a review. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From:

RE: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Nobody who has an iPad has confirmed whether the screen is like on the iPhone if you hold it in portrait mode. When I used my Mom's iPad 2 I seem to remember that this is so, but I'm not 100% sure. Can somebody either confirm this or tell me I'm full of it? *smile* Regards, Sieghard

Re: Weight Watcher's Mobile App

2016-07-28 Thread Caitlyn Furness
I left WW-wasn’t working for me. Six pounds in 6 months isn’t a great thing! Anyway, I am glad they are working on things, and hope they get themselves together! Good luck! Cait > On Jul 28, 2016, at 6:05 PM, Teresa Christian wrote: > > I am also having trouble

Re: Weight Watcher's Mobile App

2016-07-28 Thread Teresa Christian
I am also having trouble with the ww mobile app plus the web site. ACB is working with them. They had an agreement with WW in 2013 which was an anitiative that WW committed to make their stuff accessible. I don't know where things stand currently. I talked to them a couple of months ago and it

Re: Weight Watcher's Mobile App

2016-07-28 Thread Caitlyn Furness
Hi Linda, sorry you are having troubles with the WW app. I had issues with it when I was a member, too, and they sadly didn’t seem to really get it or care about making it more accessible. Their web site is even worse! anyway, either lose it or spark people are great apps for tracking food

Re: Suggestion for Speed Dial app

2016-07-28 Thread Wayne Merritt
If you want to speed dial a number from the phone app, you could add that person's number to your favorites. Then all you would have to do in order to dial the number is find the favorites tab in phone, which is the first tab on the bottom left, and double tap the name/number you wanted. For

RE: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Mr. Ed
Hi Dave and Sieghard, I think I made a mistake as I thought there was a button for split screen but now that I think about it is split keyboard that I remember. Ed -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Thursday, July

Re: Ring doorbell app

2016-07-28 Thread Ken Brown
I have tried it. It does take some getting used to. You have to press and hold to talk and then take your finger off to listen to the person talking back to you. You probably want somebody who can see the show you where you have to press and hold but you can do it. Sent from my iPhone > On

Ring doorbell app

2016-07-28 Thread grahamnroby via VIPhone
Hi, Has anyone tried the ring.com doorbell app? Kind regards Graham Sent from my iPad -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is

Re: roger update

2016-07-28 Thread Dave
I was told, by someone on this list, that public groups, have been taken away for the time being, to encourage users to create their own groups. Dave. -Original Message- From: 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:18 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject:

Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Dave
I totaly understand. But like we can change other settings, in the accessability section. I don't think, it would have hurt them, to give us that choice. But no worries, that's the way it is. cheers, Dave. -Original Message- From: Mary Otten Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 7:55 PM

Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Mary Otten
Yes, the limit is two apps open at once, and if you have the big iPad Pro, you can have full-sized apps both of them. On other iPads, it's more compromised. As a blind person, I have to say, I really don't see the point. But for sighted people, I get it. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28,

Re: Turning Off Alarm Clock

2016-07-28 Thread Wayne Merritt
You can also press the power/lock button to turn it off. As mentioned before, if you have snooze turned on, you will need to go into the clock app and physically turn the alarm off. When I do this, I usually wait about 10 seconds before I turn it back on. That part is probably not necessary, but I

Re: SMS send group message?

2016-07-28 Thread Joseph Hudson
Yes this is possible. Hit the compose button with in the messages app, Dan started typing in the peoples names that you want to send the message to. Then once you're done, go down to the message area and type and send the message. Joseph Hudson Email jhud7...@gmail.com

Re: roger update

2016-07-28 Thread 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone
did they put a search function in there and I trust there are more in the way of public groups? -Original Message- From: Monica Jones Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 13:06 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: roger update I'd say it's one of those things you can't find by

Re: Tunein Pro

2016-07-28 Thread Donna
> Does anyone know how to delete stations from the favorites found within my > profile? I have quite a few stations saved that no longer stream that I want > to delete from the list. Donna > -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any

Re: SMS send group message?

2016-07-28 Thread 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone
exactly there is no way other than individually adding contacts to the group. There are likely apps out there which will do what you want to do but the stock message app will not. -Original Message- From: Dave Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 13:23 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject:

Re: Voiceover and Wifi calls

2016-07-28 Thread 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone
I have indeed. Saw it very early on when the phone started making wifi calls. I also occasionally see it when the phone is not using wifi as a backhall. -Original Message- From: Jed Barton Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:05 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Voiceover and

Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone
Looking at an iPad myself. Assuming I were to operate it in split screen mode, How would I move between the open apps? Or, does each app have its own section of screen? Finally are split screen users limited to only 2 open apps presenting on the screen? -Original Message- From:

Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Mary Otten
Apple did it that way because they had enough room to do it that way, and it makes a lot of sense for sighted people. There is all that real estate there. Why just have all that vacant space and just a little bit of info? It makes no sense from AUI point especially if you can see. Mary Sent

Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Evan Reese
Hmmm, well, I got an iPad Mini 4 three months ago, so I started out with that kind of setup, as in the Settings menu, so I got used to that being just the way it was. Evan -Original Message- From: Dave Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 2:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re:

Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Dave
hi Jennie, yes, that is what i meant. I thought sieghard, was saying, that this could be done. I wish it could be, as i can't stand the screen being in two halfs. it still confuses me, even after having the iPad mini second gen, for nearly 2 years. I am not quite sure, why apple did it

Re: Weight Watcher's Mobile App

2016-07-28 Thread Andrew
Hello, I have experienced this same problem in WW. I have reported in three emails but they don't seem to take it serious. On 7/28/16, Lynda Ingraham wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > > > I had to reset my phone and install all my apps again. When I try to search > for food in

Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Jennie Facer
I really don't think you can make it so it isn't split screen. Like in settings, the main group is on the left, and the sub group is on the right. I don't think you can change this. Is that what you mean? Jenn Jennie Facer - Original Message - From: Dave

Re: Audible iPhone Safari Workaround to Search for a Book

2016-07-28 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Alan, I hope this works for you. If it doesn't, I would be interested, especially if you're not running the beta. Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 28, 2016, at 10:45 AM, Alan Lemly wrote: > > Mary, > > Thanks for explaining this and giving me another way to search

RE: Audible iPhone Safari Workaround to Search for a Book

2016-07-28 Thread Alan Lemly
Mary, Thanks for explaining this and giving me another way to search Audible with my iPhone. I've not used the form controls rotor item before but will be making use of it in the future. Alan From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten

Re: Voiceover and Wifi calls

2016-07-28 Thread Jed Barton
ah ok, it was just annoying. I'll say this much, wifi calling is awesome for sure. On 7/28/2016 12:22 PM, Anthony Vece wrote: Hi Jed & List; For whatever reason, the call is taking it's time disconnecting. This is causing VO to behave as if you were still on the call. So far, I haven't found

Re: SMS send group message?

2016-07-28 Thread Dave
I think, you will have to keep, using the button, that says add contact, and do it one at a time. -Original Message- From: Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 5:29 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: SMS send group message? I don't think that is possible.

Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Dave
Hi Sieghard, I have the iPad mini second generation, and i have it set to portrait mode. I can't find any button, that will stop it, going into split screen. looked all over settings, to no avail. Would you know, where i find this button? Dave. -Original Message- From: Sieghard

Re: roger update

2016-07-28 Thread Monica Jones
I'd say it's one of those things you can't find by flicking, only explore by move and touch. -Original Message- From: 'Simon w' via VIPhone Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: roger update I just explore the screen, once the app was

Re: can't start monopoly in the ree games app

2016-07-28 Thread Monica Jones
If I understand the manual right, we can disable that key menu option. I may not have that right though. I just looked at it yesterday before I had to go. -Original Message- From: rowdyameri...@shaned.net Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 7:35 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject:

RE: Voiceover and Wifi calls

2016-07-28 Thread Steve Sweeney
Hi, Yes, I've seen the same thing. I didn't attribute it to wi-fi calling but I'm now thinking it is possible. I just lock the phone and wait a minute or two then unlock it and it usually goes back to normal. I have had to turn off Voiceover and turn it back on a couple of times however. Hth

Re: Numbers or dates

2016-07-28 Thread Monica Jones
Can you be more specific? What is plus one? Is this an app or just do you type it in at some point? -Original Message- From: Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Numbers or dates +1 JR -Original Message- From: 'Simon w' via

Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Sieghard, Well, even on my very own iPad one, which is stuck back on iOS five point something, way before any sort of split screen mode came on the scene, you had that deal with the listing down the left-hand side and the right-hand side containing other stuff. It's even possible to get out

Re: Audible iPhone Safari Workaround to Search for a Book

2016-07-28 Thread Mary Otten
Wow! That's very interesting. I am not running the public beta. I do occasionally have issues with buttons not doing what they're supposed to do on my iPhone using Safari. But it's not limited to the audible site, and there doesn't seem to be a pattern. It just occasionally happens. But for the

RE: Audible iPhone Safari Workaround to Search for a Book

2016-07-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Mary, I just tried this on my 6S Plus and did the same as you, I turned the rotor to form controls and swiped down and very quickly found the search box. However, for some reason when I double tapped nothing happened, edit mode did not start and no keyboard was displayed. This could of

RE: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Mary, Thanks for clarifying the difference between split screen mode and the way some apps like Settings and Mail are displayed in two panels. I only have used my Mom's iPad 2 a few times and am not that experienced with iPads. I do, however, seem to remember that if the iPad (even the

Re: Questions regarding the IPod

2016-07-28 Thread Mary Otten
Different strokes I guess. I really dislike mail on the iPad. I have still an iPad first generation, so it isn't like I haven't used it. I also have a mini second generation with retina. It's a great book reader, and I certainly can use it for mail. But I strongly do not like it. I am a

Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Mary Otten
Unfortunately, turning off split screen mode does not make the mail app or the settings app like it is on the iPhone. Split screen refers to the ability to have two apps up on the screen at the same time. There are apps such as the ones mentioned above, which, regardless of how split screen is

Re: Questions regarding the IPod

2016-07-28 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Russ, You are certainly right about the iPad mini and the battery life. With the screen off, it really does last a long time. It certainly does sound better then the touch, but you know, I don't think it sounds any better than my iPhone. That is kind of strange, since it does, nominally,

RE: SMS send group message?

2016-07-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I don't think that is possible. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of billy inglis Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 12:27 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: SMS send group message? hi guys, Using the stock message on my 5s.

RE: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Terri, Yes, the iPad Mini is Apple's newest iPad Mini, it was first available for purchase on September 9, 2015. However, while it came preinstalled with iOS 9 just like the iPhone 6S and 6S Plus which were also released last September, the iPad Mini only has an A8 processor and not the A9

Re: Voiceover and Wifi calls

2016-07-28 Thread Anthony Vece
Hi Jed & List; For whatever reason, the call is taking it's time disconnecting. This is causing VO to behave as if you were still on the call. So far, I haven't found a fix for it. Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone SE > On Jul 28, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Jed Barton wrote: >

Re: Audible iPhone Safari Workaround to Search for a Book

2016-07-28 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Alan, There is no need for this workaround, at least in my experience on my iPhone. I have the link to the Audible mobile store on my home screen. If I double tap that, then set my rotor to form controls, I can find the edit box within which to type whatever I want to search for, then double

Re: Voiceover and Wifi calls

2016-07-28 Thread Jed Barton
ah, have you had this problem On 7/28/2016 12:00 PM, 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone wrote: turn voiceover off and back on this should correct the problem until the next time. unfortunately there does not appear to be a permenant fix. -Original Message- From: Jed Barton Sent: Thursday,

Re: Voiceover and Wifi calls

2016-07-28 Thread 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone
turn voiceover off and back on this should correct the problem until the next time. unfortunately there does not appear to be a permenant fix. -Original Message- From: Jed Barton Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:09 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Voiceover and Wifi calls Hey

Audible iPhone Safari Workaround to Search for a Book

2016-07-28 Thread Alan Lemly
Hello List, The other day I reported a problem with the search button when trying to search for a book using my iPhone at the Audible site in Safari. Firstly, the search button is unlabeled and VoiceOver only announces "link" when placing focus on it in the upper right corner. Secondly,

Voiceover and Wifi calls

2016-07-28 Thread Jed Barton
Hey guys, OK, i am wondering if anyone has a solution for this. Quite often my iphone 6 makes calls on wifi This is great, however, voiceover does something very strange when hanging up. The tone of the voice changes, and it sounds like it does whenever you are on speaker phone. Does this

Re: Tunein Pro

2016-07-28 Thread Wayne Merritt
Hello. I am paying for TuneIn Premium and all NFL team games are broadcast, from pre-season through the Superbowl. Though there are other apps that may broadcast games and ways to listen for free, it seems like the NFL has cracked down more in recent years on the ability to listen to games. I used

Re: Extracting audio from YouTube videos

2016-07-28 Thread rajmund
Hi, hae a PC or a note taker? If so, I may have a method for you, but as that will be beyond IOS, write me at brajmund2...@gmail.com and I'll help out. Sent from my iPhone 5S > On 28 Jul 2016, at 3:15 pm, Wayne Merritt wrote: > > Greetings. This topic hasn't come up in

RE: Tunein Pro

2016-07-28 Thread Richard Turner
Probably not unless you have the premium account and NFL football is part of that package. Or, you find one of their affiliate radio stations that is allowing the stream, which is not supposed to happen, but sometimes does for all NFL teams. I did not buy the premium package so I do not

Re: Questions regarding the IPod

2016-07-28 Thread Russ Kiehne
Here's what I like about my refurbished first generation ipad mini. I don't think it will run ios 10. It has more volume and better sound than my ipod touch 5th generation, victor reader stream booksense and plextalk pocket. With being able to lock the screen while playing audio content, I

Tunein Pro

2016-07-28 Thread Lynda Ingraham
Does anyone know if Buffalo Bills games can be found on Tunein Pro? Thank you. Lynda -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is

Weight Watcher's Mobile App

2016-07-28 Thread Lynda Ingraham
Hi Everyone, I had to reset my phone and install all my apps again. When I try to search for food in the ww mobile app, every food is given a 0 point value. Are others having this problem? Is Weight Watcher's aware of the problem? Any info on when it might be fixed? My calls to customer

Re: Extracting audio from YouTube videos

2016-07-28 Thread Kimber Gardner
Wayne, The only way I know to do this is via a web site. Here's the one I use though I believe you are limited to twenty minutes of audio. There are some sites that don't limit in that way, but this one is usually good enough for my needs. Once you've created the mp3 (with the click of a button),

RE: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Mr. Ed
Hi, I believe you can turn off the split mode on the mini and the full size iPad. I have an iPad and I turned off split mode so it is more like my iPhone 6s plus. Ed -Original Message- From: 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016

Re: RSS Games on the Apple devices, was RE: pretty exciting

2016-07-28 Thread Scott Davert
Yes, lack of braille support is why I will never support Kid Friendly Software until it is developed. Even on an AppleVis podcast, Marty was asked about braille support, and his reply was that he didn't know how well it worked, since some people have reported that it does, while others say it

Extracting audio from YouTube videos

2016-07-28 Thread Wayne Merritt
Greetings. This topic hasn't come up in awhile. I've found several songs and live performances on YouTube that I cannot find in Apple Music despite my best efforts. Does anyone know of an app to extract/record the audio from a YouTube vieo for later playback? Free would be great but if it cost a

Re: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread 'ray t. mahorney' via VIPhone
the short answer to your voiceover question is yes. If you are just pulling the thing out of the box and starting from a condition of ground 0 triple clicking the home button should bring up voiceover and if you recall the process you went through to set up your IPhone, You'll be off to the

Re: problems whatsapp on iphone after update yesterday

2016-07-28 Thread Davy Cuppens
Gianni I mentioned the problem about the time slider but I donot have that problem you discribe. I’d rather reset my whatsapp, delete your chat history or delete the app and reinstall it. Groetjes Davy From: Gianni Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2016 9:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Re: Questions regarding the IPod

2016-07-28 Thread Kimber Gardner
The split screen was hard for me to get used to when I first got my iPad. Mine is the 9 inch pro so there's quite a bit of screen realestate there. As you said, now that I've been using the iPad for a while I much prefer the split screen especially for mail. On 7/28/16, 'RobH.' via VIPhone

Re: Questions regarding the IPod

2016-07-28 Thread 'RobH.' via VIPhone
Ok, the difference in using the Mini from a palm-size phone/ipod, is how to hold it, and where things are on screen. I hold it landscape as a rule, butween both hands, and many, though not me, type with both thumbs. At that point, I'd revert to the iphone way, wich is more cumbersome on

problems whatsapp on iphone after update yesterday

2016-07-28 Thread Gianni
Dear, Yesterday I updated my whatsapp on the iphone. But now when I open te app and I navigate towards a conversationt he app stops, so it is not possible to use it anymore. I restarted my iphone and closed the app completely, but the problem keeps coming back. Does anyone have a solution?

SMS send group message?

2016-07-28 Thread billy inglis
hi guys, Using the stock message on my 5s. Is it possible to compose a MSG and send that message to all contacts in my contact list? -- Billy Inglis -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this

RE: Questions regarding the iPad mini

2016-07-28 Thread Jeremy
Have you ever placed your hands on an iPad mini? If not, then it may not have been a good decision to purchase something of this nature without first interacting with it. I'm getting the sense you're not really sure what it is you purchased. Here is a link where you can read more details in

Re: RSS Games on the Apple devices, was RE: pretty exciting

2016-07-28 Thread Robert Doc Wright
Be aware that Monopoly has the same flaws as the windows client has. For example, when attempting to buy a house or mortgage I kept getting the error message "invalid". I had to double tap it several times to get it to work. *** Something to think about, Since God has forgiven it, who are you to

Re: re blindfold RS games

2016-07-28 Thread Robert Doc Wright
Note, You have seven days to play for free then you can purchase the game. *** Something to think about, Since God has forgiven it, who are you to keep picking it back up! - Original Message - From: Dave To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:14 PM Subject: re

Monopoly

2016-07-28 Thread Robert Doc Wright
For those wanting accessible games don't forget about Quentin C's playroom. their web client is very accessible in Safari. Just be sure to lower the volume of the games because they are rather loud! www.qcsalon.net *** Something to think about, Since God has forgiven it, who are you to keep