RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-25 Thread Joe
Of Daniel Miller Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Hi, I completely agree here. Just look at other companies, Microsoft for example, a company that claims all their products are accessible to persons with disibilities. That

RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Timothy Harshbarger
one@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 5:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: Ricardo Walker Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? I'm one of those people who felt that way. I admit now though that what Apple ha

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Ricardo Walker
;s nothing >>>>> wrong with that. >>>>> >>>>> I agree VoiceOver is a great product, and I can understand your >>>>> willingness to support a company that builds accessibility into their >>>>> product, but I don't think it&

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Scott Howell
being present at one of the public announcements of Narrator. >>> Microsoft was very careful to ensure people that Narrator wasn't intended to >>> take the place of the other screen readers--that it was just intended for >>> emergency use, not every day use. >>> >>> My guess is that Ap

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain
do Walker > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:03 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? > > Hello, > > I totally agree here. > > It would have been easy, and truth be told, probably more profitable, if > they decided to put out a

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain
en readers available for OSX. There wasn't, so things worked out >> differently. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegr

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain
e, a company that claims all their products are accessible to > persons >>>> with disabilities. That statement couldn't be any more wrong. I myself > would >>>> much rather pay a premium for an apple product with accessibility built > in >>>> out of the box,

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Ricardo Walker
rom: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Pete Nalda > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 4:05 PM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? > > I also think Apple did something else no other company did, by ha

RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Timothy Harshbarger
June 24, 2012 4:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? I also think Apple did something else no other company did, by having us, the blind community,test what was then called "Spoken Interface", before it became VoiceOver, and released in Tiger (10

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Pete Nalda
companies >>> like Freedom scientific and GW Micro could ever dream of creating. >>> I'm sorry if my post strayed off topic, I just can't help but admit I'm also >>> a fanboy and an Apple geek. >>> >>> P.S.: I can't wait to see them try t

RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Gail the U. S. Male
bad motherboard. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Hello, I totally agree here. It would have

RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Timothy Harshbarger
m] On Behalf Of M. Taylor Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:05 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Christopher, Your recollection is dead on. I was managing an Apple computer lab at a city college back in those days and Apple was, indeed, losing ou

RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread M. Taylor
Christopher Chaltain Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 11:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? I know you didn't want conjecture, but I've seen several times, from people who were involved with the issue at the time, that Apple did this because t

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Ricardo Walker
>> I'm sorry if my post strayed off topic, I just can't help but admit I'm also >> a fanboy and an Apple geek. >> >> P.S.: I can't wait to see them try to make Windows RT accessible on tablets. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: vi

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Christopher Chaltain
o see them try to make Windows RT accessible on tablets. > > -Original Message- > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf > Of Scott Howell > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:37 AM > To: viphone@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: OT: Why Did App

RE: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Daniel Miller
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:37 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver? Craig, I am not sure you will find a specific reason. I have heard stories that range from Apple facing a lawsuit (not likely at all) to some child of an engineer (more likely) who w

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Scott Howell
Craig, I am not sure you will find a specific reason. I have heard stories that range from Apple facing a lawsuit (not likely at all) to some child of an engineer (more likely) who was blind. I suspect the real reason is that Apple saw an opportunity and opted to take a risk which I should note

Re: OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Keith Watson
Hi, If you go back and read any of the Jobs biographies or watch any of the movies I believe that you will see that although he could be an asshole, Jobs was a visionary. His ideology was the driving force behind total control of the products that Apple created. Universal access was only a part

OT: Why Did Apple Create VoiceOver?

2012-06-24 Thread Craig Werner
Greetings to the list. Over on the vi-kindle email list from freelists.org, a user asked a penetrating question: "Why did Apple build accessibility into all of its products?" Knowing the answer to this query might prove helpful as blind and visually impaired people work with other companies to ma