Re: [ID 20000330.044] Not OK: perl v5.6.0 on VMS_AXP V7.1

2000-03-30 Thread lane
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John Peacock wrote Thu, 30 Mar 2000: > >> Overall a clean build under VMS (WOW!!!). ... >> >> Failed two tests in [.t.lib]glob-basic.t: >> >> Test 3 - Patch below (sorry for the lame VMS diff) >> A patch for the gl

RFC: a small addition to perlrun.pod

2000-03-30 Thread PVHP
What do folks here think of an addition to perlrun.pod such as this?: $ gdiff -u [.pod]perlrun.pod;1 [.pod]perlrun.pod --- [.pod]perlrun.pod;1 Mon Mar 13 21:25:37 2000 +++ [.pod]perlrun.pod Thu Mar 30 17:36:57 2000 @@ -809,6 +809,17 @@ this controls the behavior of global destruction of objec

Re: [ID 20000330.044] Not OK: perl v5.6.0 on VMS_AXP V7.1

2000-03-30 Thread PVHP
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John Peacock wrote Thu, 30 Mar 2000: > Overall a clean build under VMS (WOW!!!). If perlshr is already > defined (i.e. an existing installation), there are failures in > [.t.lib]vmsish.t and [.t.pragma]warnings.t (Configure.com should > check for this and suggest that per

Re: Y2K readiness

2000-03-30 Thread Tom Christiansen
>Kind of a pity perl's so late-binding in many ways. Really screws the >potential of the optimizer. But that's part of perl's charm, I suppose. That depends. If you are the implementing class, then $a->{fred} is compile-time resolved (and type checked) into $a->[3] or whatnot if there's a use f

Re: Y2K readiness

2000-03-30 Thread PVHP
Tom Christiansen wrote to Dan Sugalski: > >Pity we've seen such a slowdown in recent perls. I'm hoping efficiency > >hacks are high on the list for 5.7/5.8 > > I think the bloat is due to Unicode. I think the speeddowns are > because of Larry not really being so into the release process. He >

Re: Y2K readiness

2000-03-30 Thread PVHP
Tom Christiansen wrote: > >I have perl 1..4 on some CD's somewhere (from www.cdrom.com) I'd be > >willing to recompile them for a price. > > I keep them on my system. That's how I sent those perl1..5 benchmarks > yesterday. It's velly nice to have. Which were velly interesting results. In ma

Re: Y2K readiness

2000-03-30 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 04:02 PM 3/30/00 -0700, Tom Christiansen wrote: > >No wonder the OO stuff sucks cycles so badly...) > >Oh, I bet there are more reasons that that! Well, OK, one or two... dozen. Kind of a pity perl's so late-binding in many ways. Really screws the potential of the optimizer. But that's part

Re: Y2K readiness

2000-03-30 Thread Tom Christiansen
>No wonder the OO stuff sucks cycles so badly...) Oh, I bet there are more reasons that that! --tom

Re: Y2K readiness

2000-03-30 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 03:51 PM 3/30/00 -0700, Tom Christiansen wrote: > >Pity we've seen such a slowdown in recent perls. I'm hoping efficiency > >hacks are high on the list for 5.7/5.8 > >I think the bloat is due to Unicode. I think the speeddowns are >because of Larry not really being so into the release process.

RE: Extremely non-portable hack required

2000-03-30 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 02:57 PM 3/30/00 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Here is an interesting variation on that theme: > > $ type raw.plx > print `@ARGV`; > $ perl raw.plx dir/size=all .c Or a variation on one of Tom's favorite: $ perl -pe "1" "dir/siz sys$login|" Directory USER01:[DSUGALSKI] .EMACS

RE: Extremely non-portable hack required

2000-03-30 Thread PVHP
Ivor Williams wrote: > Hi, > > Any of you know of a way of getting to the raw DCL command line in perl, > before it has been globbed, argv chunked and otherwise mangled? > > I am looking at something which will fake a particular DCL command without > the users or scripts knowing the difference

Re: Y2K readiness

2000-03-30 Thread Tom Christiansen
>Pity we've seen such a slowdown in recent perls. I'm hoping efficiency >hacks are high on the list for 5.7/5.8 I think the bloat is due to Unicode. I think the speeddowns are because of Larry not really being so into the release process. He hates slow, and if he noticed, he'd tweak or thwap i

Re: Y2K readiness

2000-03-30 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 03:38 PM 3/30/00 -0700, Tom Christiansen wrote: > >I have perl 1..4 on some CD's somewhere (from www.cdrom.com) I'd be > >willing to recompile them for a price. > >I keep them on my system. That's how I sent those perl1..5 benchmarks >yesterday. It's velly nice to have. I bet. Helps with com

Re: Y2K readiness

2000-03-30 Thread Tom Christiansen
>I have perl 1..4 on some CD's somewhere (from www.cdrom.com) I'd be >willing to recompile them for a price. I keep them on my system. That's how I sent those perl1..5 benchmarks yesterday. It's velly nice to have. --tom

Re: Y2K readiness

2000-03-30 Thread PVHP
Dan Sugalski wrote: > At 11:23 PM 3/29/00 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I don't see a message about this in my archive of messages to this list. > > > >Is VMS Perl in some sense Y2K-compliant? If so, was there a particular > >version > >at which that compliance was achieved or which was th

LIB$(GET|FREE)_VM

2000-03-30 Thread hoffman
Somebody wrote: : Mixing these [LIB$(GET|FREE)_VM] with malloc() used to be a : no-no; does the fact that you have them in an AST routine : allow you to dodge that restriction? The DEC C and Compaq C malloc and free calls use the OpenVMS LIB RTL for memory allocation and deallocation

re: Update on piping code

2000-03-30 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 04:22 PM 3/30/00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I might tend to expect to see a UNIX-like pipe driver appearing > in OpenVMS later this year -- if I can, um, perloin :-) an early > copy for experimentation, I will make it available and known here. > (Part of this also eventually and

re: Update on piping code

2000-03-30 Thread hoffman
I might tend to expect to see a UNIX-like pipe driver appearing in OpenVMS later this year -- if I can, um, perloin :-) an early copy for experimentation, I will make it available and known here. (Part of this also eventually and obviously involves adding better pipe support into the C

Re: Net::FTP and %RMS-E-FLK

2000-03-30 Thread Joe Kazimierczyk
That last post of mine came across pretty ugly - let me try that again (same info, less wrapping hopefully) I came across this while researching my ftp problem. It seems that the extra header info could easily be put to good use - just have to do a pretty low level RMS open. Not that I'm volun

Re: Net::FTP and %RMS-E-FLK

2000-03-30 Thread Joe Kazimierczyk
Dan Sugalski wrote: > > This is cool. Now all we need to do is teach Net::FTP about STRU VMS mode > and we'll be set. (Anyone got the details on that by any chance?) > I came across this while researching my ftp problem. It seems that the extra header info could easily be put to good use - just

RE: Net::FTP and %RMS-E-FLK

2000-03-30 Thread Jordan Henderson
The Freeware MadGoat FTP server and client both do STRU VMS mode, IIRC. The details lie therein, if you can read BLISS! > -Original Message- > From: Dan Sugalski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 3:51 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Net::FTP and %RMS-E

Re: Net::FTP and %RMS-E-FLK

2000-03-30 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 03:43 PM 3/30/00 -0500, Joe Kazimierczyk wrote: >Process Software has provided me with a patch to Multinet's FTP that >allows me to do a plain binary get of open files from non-Multinet >clients (ie Net::FTP). This patch will eventually be made public. > >Also, Hunter Goatley suggested that he

Re: Net::FTP and %RMS-E-FLK

2000-03-30 Thread Joe Kazimierczyk
Dan Sugalski wrote: > > At 02:31 PM 2/18/00 -0500, Joe Kazimierczyk wrote: > >I tried a plain perl 'open' of the file, and it works fine so I'm > >surprised that ftp complains. But I can't take your suggestion because I > >need to run this step in a larger program to 'get' the file. How does > >

updates

2000-03-30 Thread Charles Lane
I just updated some of the contents of the Perl 5.6.0 page on http://www.crinoid.com/perl560.htmlx -> VMS::FileUtils::Root add 'O_VMS' option for returning VMSish filenames -> CPAN.pm patch, improved handling of .tar-gz files, cleaning up source directories, and making it possible to use lo

Re: Extremely non-portable hack required

2000-03-30 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 05:04 PM 3/30/00 +0100, Williams, Ivor wrote: >Hi, > >Any of you know of a way of getting to the raw DCL command line in perl, >before it has been globbed, argv chunked and otherwise mangled? Nope. Want one? Dan --"i

Extremely non-portable hack required

2000-03-30 Thread Williams, Ivor
Hi, Any of you know of a way of getting to the raw DCL command line in perl, before it has been globbed, argv chunked and otherwise mangled? I am looking at something which will fake a particular DCL command without the users or scripts knowing the difference. However, the environmental stuff se

Re: Y2K readiness

2000-03-30 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 11:23 PM 3/29/00 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >I don't see a message about this in my archive of messages to this list. > >Is VMS Perl in some sense Y2K-compliant? If so, was there a particular >version >at which that compliance was achieved or which was the first one to be >generally con