>I found this quite amusing and thought Vorts might enjoy:
> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:01:49 -0700
> From: Jack Sarfatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>Are UFOs real? Yes! Are they a national and planetary
military WMD
>threat? Yes! Do we care what CISCOPS et-al think? No!
Do they determine
>thomas malloy wrote:
>
>> The company promoting the design asserted
>> "Rockets, widely recognized as the most efficient
engines, are
>> typically propelled by steam. Based on
>>
>> Is that BS I smell? This is the first time I've heard that
assertion,
>> I would think that it would be quite th
In reply to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>'s message of Tue, 9 Aug 2005
17:19:52 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>Hydrinos and Ionic Bonds, on the other hand... Isn't it theorized that a free
>electron can assume the normal ground state orbital shell belonging to a
>hydrino and as such cause the atom to have a negative
- Original Message -
From: "Mike Carrell"
Mike, I am not going to belabor this issue much longer except to
state very clearly that my "spin," as you call it, was directed at
EDS, one of the most disreputable companies in America. And the
fact that BLP, knowing the shoddy reputation of
The talk origins paper is good but it does not look at the infant
appendix which is proportionally larger than the adult appendix. It
stops growing at about age 3 while everything else keeps growing. Talk
origins may choose to mention that fact some day. Here's what the
creationist have to say
R.O Cornwall wrote..
V,I've got a bit of an accidental affinity for Darwin
Websitehttp://luna.bton.ac.uk/~roc1
Remi,
There are many vorts that have more than an accidental affinity to Darwin ..
and ... err .. some don't .
Thanks for the reference to your website.
Richard
From: "Jones Beene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Support for Hy from on-high
> There is a paper by Christianto which has some interesting
> relevance to the Hydrino. I posted this on the HSG forum but it
> hasn't shown up yet. Seems like they think that I am too critical
> of the "golden boy" ove
I have had some experiences with psychics that were very odd indeed. One
picked up on a serious illness I had as a child that required months of
hospitalization. She even honed in on the exact amount of months my
hospital stay lasted. It was completely out of the blue. She was
describing a
I found this quite amusing and thought Vorts might enjoy:
"Message: 3
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 13:01:49 -0700
From: Jack Sarfatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Correcting UFO disinformation
Please transmit to that list that Antigray never checked with me
directly about the "alien"
> From: "Jones Beene"
> Speaking of kill files:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg06834.html
>
> Touché?
Oui, you score.
Quoting:
"Certainly one of the prime elements produced in the uranium and thorium decay
is helium, and some of it does come to the surface in natural ga
Zell sez:
...
> I understand that African cheetahs are anomalous, being nearly natural
> clones of each other, genetically. Makes you wonder how
> stuff really got here.
Regarding cheetahs, I've heard scientific speculation that the reason their
genetic pool is so unusually narrow (clone-like
From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Intelligent design
> Mike Carrell wrote:
>
> >The implication of this is that the manifest universe with all its
> >complexity can be a process originating from a discrete logical seed
whose
> >recursive operation is completely det
There is a paper by Christianto which has some interesting
relevance to the Hydrino. I posted this on the HSG forum but it
hasn't shown up yet. Seems like they think that I am too critical
of the "golden boy" over there.
On vortex, I get the impression that most observers, except for
Mike and
Ok, Subcommander Orgazmo-Please :
funny you should ask about the core since it was in the news
lately:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=mg18725103.700
Speaking of kill files:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg06834.html
Touché?
>Jones sez:
> > Terry sez:
> > Wait, I thought there were many hydrino compounds? Can a
> > hydrino form a covalent bond or not?
>
> I suspect that one answer is that ionic bonds are definitely
> favored, and that true covalent bonding many be as difficult as
> with the noble gases, except ap
Given your name, perhaps you like Vine DeLoria's book attacking both
Creationism and Evolution ( I think he's Native American)
I understand that African cheetahs are anomalous, being nearly natural
clones of each other, genetically. Makes you wonder how
stuff really got here.
-Original Mess
> From: "Jones Beene"
> - Original Message -
> From: Terry Blanton ( ... never got that other post! maybe BillB
> has you on good-behavior)
Great minds, similar paths, yada, yada, yada:
http://escribe.com/science/vortex/m37977.html
On Tuesday 09 August 2005 16:11, Jones Beene wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: Terry Blanton ( ... never got that other post! maybe BillB
> has you on good-behavior)
>
> >> From: Robin van Spaandonk
> >>
> >> It doesn't exist because the energy required to oxidize even a
> >> first leve
> From: "Jones Beene"
> So anwer me this, Subcommander Supremo. What are the implications
> of a hydrino core?
(Subcommander Orgazmo, please.)
Geeze you can ask some heavy questions, dude. Have you discovered the true
content of the neutron star? But funny you should ask about the core sinc
On Tuesday 09 August 2005 12:52, Terry Blanton wrote:
> > From: "Zell, Chris"
> >
> > It's starting to look more and more like we were patched together by
> > some ET's over a period of time.
>
> Here's a few dozen historical references which could support your position:
>
> http://www.mystae.com/r
>Terry sez:
> > Jones sez:
> > Amazing how much "face" 5 minutes of googling can save.
>
> Or taking me out of your kill file. (Re: my post on the
> caecum :-Þ)
At the tender age of seven I had my appendix removed.
There was nothing wrong with the organ. They just happened to have been in the
- Original Message -
From: Terry Blanton ( ... never got that other post! maybe BillB
has you on good-behavior)
From: Robin van Spaandonk
It doesn't exist because the energy required to oxidize even a
first level hydrino is at least 10 times larger than any normal
chemical bond ener
> From: "Jones Beene"
> Amazing how much "face" 5 minutes of googling can save.
Or taking me out of your kill file. (Re: my post on the caecum :-Þ)
Amazing how much "face" 5 minutes of googling can save. Several
reasonable arguments exist for the assertion that the appendix has
a function in the human immune system. .
Yes, Virginia..."vestigiality" is a real word...
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/vestiges/appendix.html
Given our current
> From: Robin van Spaandonk
> It doesn't exist because the energy required to oxidize even a
> first level hydrino is at least 10 times larger than any normal
> chemical bond energy.
Wait, I thought there were many hydrino compounds? Can a hydrino form a
covalent bond or not?
I had that one. My dear old teacher Farooq Abdullah said I had a jinx on
machines as I'd make a machine crash just by being near it. He was into
PEARL and I was into pooh-poohing in those days.
Anyway OT BS.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of
Sense of humour?
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of leaking pen
Sent: 09 August 2005 17:10
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: ID and scientist fear
if theres no want, and no system of transfer of goods and valuation of
labor (money) then so
> From: Jed Rothwell
> And no biologist claims that we
> understand all organs and functions.
And this is certainly the case with what's left of our caecum:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/vestiges/appendix.html
Now, if we become vegans, will our caecum re-evolve?
> Jed sez:
>
> >Wesley sez:
>
> >Answer: As a one month old baby you would die without it. Its not a
> >vestigial organ its lift over firm babyhood. Its just as
> >essential to milk digestion for a baby as any other organ. We only
> > just discovered what its for because some idiot darwinist do
Someday people will be working for needs instead of for wants.
Does this mean the society will stagnate because needs are
are finite?
No, because beyond on simple material needs people will always need
to love and be loved.
Harry
leaking pen wrote:
> if theres no want, and no system of transf
Wesley Bruce wrote:
Answer: As a one month old baby you would die without it. Its not a
vestigial organ its lift over firm babyhood. Its just as essential to milk
digestion for a baby as any other organ. We only just discovered what its
for because some idiot darwinist doctor removed them from
>Wesley Sez:
>
> >orionworks Sez:
> >
> >Question: Why do I have an appendix?
> >
>
> Answer: As a one month old baby you would die without it. Its not a
> vestigial organ its lift over firm babyhood. Its just as essential to
> milk digestion for a baby as any other organ. We only just discover
> From: "Zell, Chris"
> It's starting to look more and more like we were patched together by
> some ET's over a period of time.
Here's a few dozen historical references which could support your position:
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/watchers.html
Not to mention recent scient
> From: "Taylor J. Smith"
> The evidence for Malevolent Design is compelling;
> and it may support the concept of ID if an
> evil intelligence rules the universe.
Jack, you're beginning to sound like a gnostic. You're describing Yaltabaoth,
the Demiurge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaltabao
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Question: Why do I have an appendix?
Answer: As a one month old baby you would die without it. Its not a
vestigial organ its lift over firm babyhood. Its just as essential to
milk digestion for a baby as any other organ. We only just discovered
what its for becaus
if theres no want, and no system of transfer of goods and valuation of
labor (money) then society will stagnate. thas NOT a utopia you
describe.
btw, on the scientific credibility of esp like things, proven, some
people are just computer jinxs
http://www.canada.com/technology/story.html?id=f6ebf0
Type A personalities or Suppressive Personalities rule this planet. We've
moved a little on from Feudalism.
The future will be one of peace, no want, contentment and no money system.
We will realise our place amongst a whole universe of life-forms.
Right now we're not evolved enough for it.
I *d
- Original Message -
From: "revtec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Intelligent design
>
> The hypothesis that an object is "nonphysical and timeless" -- invisible
in
> short -- can never be prove
A previous post mentions raises the issue of scientists being 'afraid'
of some things.
This is a little off topic but I recently attended a small seminar led
by Russell Targ - of CIA/Psychic Remote Viewer fame. After witnessing
several
surprizing demonstrations, you leave with the feeling that,
Mike Carrell wrote:
The implication of this is that the manifest universe with all its
complexity can be a process originating from a discrete logical seed whose
recursive operation is completely deterministic, yet whose product is
infinitely complex, like the Mandelbrot set.
That seems manife
From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: Intelligent design
> There is no such thing. If there were it could not be detected with any
instrument, and therefore it, in turn, could not influence events in the
real world. Anything which can affect matter can be detected wit
V,
I've got a bit of an accidental affinity for Darwin. Where I grew up as a
child in Laindon, Essex we used to go for a break with the family a few
miles to Burnham on Crouch. Apparently the Beagle is scuppered near there as
Prof. Colin Pillinger found out for his pleasure after naming his Mars pr
R. Sez:
...
> I was saying to my Dad that the 'Creator' must have a
> bloody great sense of black humour, drought in Niger and
> floods in India.
>
> It's a bit like a pathetic fallacy. You are trying to
> ascribe human self-importance to the rationale of things.
> BOTH OF YOU - Creationists and
See:
http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=3&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=vahab.IN.&OS=IN/vahab&RS=IN/vahab
MAGNETO-HYDRODYNAMIC POWER CELL USING ATOMIC CONVERSION
OF ENERGY, PLASMA AND FIELD IONIZATION
Abstract
A method
- Original Message -
From: "Taylor J. Smith"
Normally I refrain from contributing to this type
of thread; but I am compelled to ask where is
there any evidence for Intelligent Design, in
some benign sense?
In the scientific sense, it is all about probability and time
scalemore sp
V. and Chris,
The penny drops. It's a bit like the first day at school when you realise
that Mum and Dad don't know everything.
I'm prepared to *believe* (can't prove at present) that we have had ET
visitations many times in our past. Through collective memories and
religions this *could* be so.
I am increasingly impressed by intelligent design - but not by an All
knowing Creator.
It's starting to look more and more like we were patched together by
some ET's over a period of time.
This would account for how screwed up the human race is and how ad hoc
and disorganized our religious and mo
V,
Ironies or ironies. This is a bit like Geo-centralism of the middle ages!
We are so wonderful that nothing could have created us but blind chance!
I'm not saying we're created but admit the possibility that part of our
evolution *might* have had *an element* of design in it.
Prove to me it h
Hi All,
Normally I refrain from contributing to this type
of thread; but I am compelled to ask where is
there any evidence for Intelligent Design, in
some benign sense?
We, the Lords of Creation, have backs that are
often unsuited for bipedalism, immune systems
that kill or cripple us with their
V,
One other thought. In our complacency we think we know what life is, it's
soft, hairy, smelly, meatware that sh.gs to propagate. No! Some life
propagates by asexual processes. Some things are right on the boarder-line
of what we call life, viruses and prions.
It seems the thing that qualifies a
V,
I know what you are going to say next... The organisms are the environment
too!!
Darwinism as taught ascribes selection pressures to 'simple' things like
resource potential (food, water, climate) and genetic fitness (heh, are you
a stud or not heh, heh).
A 2nd order effect (?) would be the env
Below originally written yesterday before the thread. I'm progressively
reading the entries.
On Jed's topic, yes, life would have to have started somewhere but it
doesn't mean that every bit of life had to start ab-initio. Where's the
logic in that?!
What I'm trying to say (below) is that Darwini
Posted earlier.
>
> The volume about 1.0 CFM @ 3 PSIG for 2 kilowatt hours requires a Solar Box with a least 1800 > cubic feet of air at 200 F @ 3.0 PSIG per /KW-HR.> > The Solar Box can be an enclosed pit loaded with coarse gravel with a ballasted-sealed floating> "solar lid" so that a quas
Moin Vorts!
This just in on an RSS feed from the BBC.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4746075.stm
Knuke
I knew someone and Aussy POW in Japan when the bomb dropped. He was a
bit of a historian. He said that there were conflicts between
pro-emporer and pro- Tojo diplomats and security officers. The generals
knew they faced the noose with any kind of surrender. Those sending
peace messages on the e
thomas malloy wrote:
The company promoting the design asserted
"Rockets, widely recognized as the most efficient engines, are
typically propelled by steam. Based on
Is that BS I smell? This is the first time I've heard that assertion,
I would think that it would be quite the opposite.
If
Your getting into some very good debates. I think Jeds perfectly
right; ID as its currently described is badly flawed. Most young earth
creationists argue that you can't compromise in that way. Either an all
powerfully God exists or every thing evolved. The catch is that
creationists don't l
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