Re: Civilization's thin vaneer

2005-08-31 Thread Wesley Bruce
I've done climatology. The storm downgraded because the wind dropped 10 mile per hour and the category is based on wind speed. It was always just barely cat 5. Wind speeds drop when the storm passes over land or cooler water. The water flowing out of the Mississippi may have had an effect both

Re: Civilization's thin vaneer

2005-08-31 Thread Wesley Bruce
Jed Rothwell wrote: RC Macaulay wrote: Watching the unrestrained looting via TV in New Orleans can give one an insight why the people need the right to keep and bare arms. Yes, short sleeve shirts are de rigueur for events of this nature. Seriously, I do not see why we need guns in situat

Re: New Orleans: 80 percent of the city under water

2005-08-31 Thread Wesley Bruce
Jed Rothwell wrote: John Coviello wrote: 1st time martial law has been declared since WW2. Martial law has been declared many times, especially during the rioting in the 1960s. I do not know whether it has been declared after natural disasters, but I expect it has been. This storm was p

Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread RC Macaulay
Kyle wrote..  I am a full timeClass A mechanic in the nearly jobless Buffalo New York area, bringing homea little over $12,000/yr. That, to say the least, sucks. Especially here .. Kyle , 12k is below the welfare rate. You would be better off moving back to ole Miss and get a job rebuilding g

Nola, the sequel

2005-08-31 Thread RC Macaulay
Over the next few days we will have a better concept of the depth of the disaster in N.O. The nation has , in effect, lost a city of 400-500 thousand.The order has been given to totally evacuate the city proper. Should the city become uninhabited for more than 2 months the average resident wi

Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
OrionWorks writes: > I can't speak for Jed, but what personally bothers me are those who DO make a > decent income and > therefore CAN afford to purchase any kind of car on the market. But what do > many of them long for? > What really jerks their chain? The biggest, meanest, the most powerful

Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
> From: Jed Rothwell > I would say I am praying for them, but alas I am stone cold atheist, and I do > not pray for anything. But, of course, you hope for the best for them. Pas de difference. You are a wise man, Jed; however, I protest that you do not know enough to prove a negative. A wise

Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread John Coviello
Original Message - From: "OrionWorks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta From: "Kyle Mcallister" > From: "Jed Rothwell" > I told her "serves you right for driving that big car!" > It serves the whole

Re: FW: Alleviating Energy Costs

2005-08-31 Thread OrionWorks
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 2005/08/31 Wed PM 07:55:09 CDT > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: FW: Alleviating Energy Costs > > I just got wind from an outside source that BLP and > Carrier Corporation(part of the United Technologies > group) are up to something with R&D on a "new technolo

Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Kyle Mcallister writes: "> I am sorry, but I have zero sympathy for people who > drive gas guzzlers. They should have known this was going to happen sooner > or later. You go too far here. I'm sorry, but I am sure I am not the only one here who is getting a little tired of the holier than thou t

Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread OrionWorks
> From: "Kyle Mcallister" > > From: "Jed Rothwell" > > > > I told her "serves you right for driving that big car!" > > It serves the whole damn nation right. I am sorry, > > but I have zero sympathy for people who drive gas > > guzzlers. They should have known this was going to > > happen soo

Re: NOLA Catch-22

2005-08-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton writes: "2) The power company says that they can restore the grid in 4 to 5 weeks after the water is removed. But, as others have stated, the pumps run on electricity." I am sure they thought of this! There must be a way to restore critical parts of the grid, including the pumps

Re: [OT] Disasters Waiting to Happen

2005-08-31 Thread Steven Krivit
Fascinating, informative report..thanks Terry. "Contraflow," that's what they called it. Good term. I'm glad they eventually used it. The photo of NO I saw with 99.9 percent outbound traffic seemed to beg for its implementation. I have seen this work quite well in the Malibu fires a few year

FW: Alleviating Energy Costs

2005-08-31 Thread John . Rudiger
I just got wind from an outside source that BLP and Carrier Corporation (part of the United Technologies group) are up to something with R&D on a "new technology" for home and commercial heating systems. UTC C. Corp. is currently nearing completion of their major expansion of the engineering bu

Re: NOLA Catch-22

2005-08-31 Thread John Coviello
- Original Message - From: "Terry Blanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: NOLA Catch-22 Sorry I don't have the refs handy but from what I can determine: 1) The Corps of Engineers say that, with all pumps running (and the levee's patched),

Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread John Coviello
- Original Message - From: "Kyle Mcallister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, 31 August, 2005 01:30 PM Subject: G

NOLA Catch-22

2005-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
Sorry I don't have the refs handy but from what I can determine: 1) The Corps of Engineers say that, with all pumps running (and the levee's patched), they can pump 1 inch out of the NOLA bowl in 44 hours. They say that it will take 9 weeks to take the water out. 2) The power company says th

Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread Kyle Mcallister
Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, 31 August, 2005 01:30 PM Subject: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta > I told her "serves you right for driving that big car!" It serves the whole > damn nation right. I am sorry, but I have zero sympath

Re: Panic in Atlanta - Strange Commute

2005-08-31 Thread John Coviello
- Original Message - From: "Terry Blanton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 7:31 PM Subject: Panic in Atlanta - Strange Commute Panic sets in in Atlanta. 93 Octane is $3.89 and the lines remind me of the crisis of c. '76. Gas lines are spilling into highways

Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread John Coviello
- Original Message - From: "Jed Rothwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2005 1:30 PM Subject: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta a friend of mine with an SUV just called. She went to three gas stations in Atlanta and they were out of gasoline. The fourth one, Ci

Panic in Atlanta - Strange Commute

2005-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
Panic sets in in Atlanta. 93 Octane is $3.89 and the lines remind me of the crisis of c. '76. Gas lines are spilling into highways and people are literally fighting. There is no pleasure in vindication. It took me longer to get home than when it snows. BTW, diesel is still $2.60.

Re: Where's the energy

2005-08-31 Thread Edmund Storms
The only way to answer this question is to know how many nuclear events are occurring per second. In hot fusion, this rate can be measured by measuring the neutron production rate. This quaNTITY is then compared it to the energy being produced. This comparison is not possible during cold fusi

"A student-oriented project"

2005-08-31 Thread Harry Veeder
A student-oriented project: http://blake.montclair.edu/~kowalskil/cf/252clauzon.html

[OT] Disasters Waiting to Happen

2005-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
This report was issued late last year. It's an accessment of what would have happened to NOLA had hurricane Ivan hit. Shirley hit it right on and made recommendations. She also forecast 40 to 60,000 dead. Now they are admitting that thousands could be dead. Whispers I'm hearing inside the

Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
> From: Jed Rothwell > Woops. Maybe it is not an artificial shortage. See: > > http://www.ajc.com/news/content/business/0805/31bizgasprices.html > > "The two pipelines that bring gasoline and jet fuel to the region are down > ­ powerless to pump as Hurricane Katrina wreaked havoc on electrical

Where's the energy

2005-08-31 Thread thomas malloy
I am still looking for an answer to the question i posed, are CF researchers seeing as much energy as they would expect to see if the same number of reactions were occurring under hot fusion?

Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread Steven Krivit
The metro Atlanta region generally has about a 10-day supply of gasoline in inventory, Wow. I'm typically not a doom 'n gloomer type, but this is scary. And the northeast grid shutdown in 2003? Methinks we ain't seen nothin' yet. s

Re: Schauberger Effects

2005-08-31 Thread thomas malloy
Title: Re: Schauberger Effects Chris Zell posted; Has anyone ever read about any documented effects similar to what Schauberger claimed?  If there is any reality to what he claimed, then somebody must have observed something similar. ...tornadoes or negative viscosity, perhaps. Thanks

Re: Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Woops. Maybe it is not an artificial shortage. See: http://www.ajc.com/news/content/business/0805/31bizgasprices.html "The two pipelines that bring gasoline and jet fuel to the region are down ­ powerless to pump as Hurricane Katrina wreaked havoc on electrical infrastructure. The metro Atla

Gasoline panic has begun in Atlanta

2005-08-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
a friend of mine with an SUV just called. She went to three gas stations in Atlanta and they were out of gasoline. The fourth one, Citigo, was selling premium gasoline at $3.50 per gallon and they expect the price to rise to $4.00 within a few days. I told her "serves you right for driving tha

Re: Alleviating Energy Costs

2005-08-31 Thread RC Macaulay
John Steck wrote...     Perhaps a bit late, but any recommendations to offset grid dependence this winter?  I suspect the budget busting fuel costs last winter will pale by comparison to this winter...  even a wood fueled steam powered generator is looking cost effective at this point.  8^(

RE: Civilization's thin vaneer

2005-08-31 Thread Terry Blanton
keeps playing back in my head While I would not exclude HAARP intervention: http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050831/NEWS08/508310400/1025/NEWS

RE: Civilization's thin vaneer

2005-08-31 Thread John Steck
Is anyone else curious as to what if anything was being done to cause the downgrade to category 4 just prior to landfall and the subsequent rapid disintegration of the front?  Our recent thread on contrails and weather modification efforts keeps playing back in my head    -john    

RE: Alleviating Energy Costs

2005-08-31 Thread John Steck
Perhaps a bit late, but any recommendations to offset grid dependence this winter?  I suspect the budget busting fuel costs last winter will pale by comparison to this winter...  even a wood fueled steam powered generator is looking cost effective at this point.  8^(   Lots of talented peopl

RE: Sing the Universe Electric

2005-08-31 Thread John Steck
Agree. Just more super-personification of children by their parents IMO. The list below describes every 5 year old boy I've ever met. I suspect many of us on this list are still "indigo children"... 8^) --- They come into the world with a feeling of royalty (and often act like it) They have a f

Re: Civilization's thin vaneer

2005-08-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
RC Macaulay wrote: Watching the unrestrained looting via TV in New Orleans can give one an insight why the people need the right to keep and bare arms. Yes, short sleeve shirts are de rigueur for events of this nature. Seriously, I do not see why we need guns in situations like this. People

Re: New Orleans: 80 percent of the city under water

2005-08-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
John Coviello wrote: 1st time martial law has been declared since WW2. Martial law has been declared many times, especially during the rioting in the 1960s. I do not know whether it has been declared after natural disasters, but I expect it has been. This storm was powerful and the effects

Re: Civilization's thin vaneer

2005-08-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Wesley Bruce wrote: RC Macaulay wrote: The police cannot cope with mass looting of this scope, just stand by and watch. the animals run wild. I have seen much worse looting. This is no big deal. The stuff is ruined anyway. Not all looting is looting. I was in a flood rescue situation o

Re: The New Republic article

2005-08-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Wesley Bruce wrote: Er Jed that the "Australia" news paper you've sent us all. Are you sure the link has not got mixed up? As noted, it was reprinted from the New Republic. - Jed

RE: The Casmir, ZPE, Research in general

2005-08-31 Thread R . O . Cornwall
Rubbish. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grimer Sent: 30 August 2005 19:19 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: The Casmir, ZPE, Research in general At 02:54 pm 30/08/2005 +0100, Cornwall wrote: > The Casmir effect is Van der Waals attra

Re: Civilization's thin vaneer

2005-08-31 Thread John Coviello
From: RC Macaulay To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: Civilization's thin vaneer Watching the unrestrained looting via TV in New Orleans can give one an insight why the people need the right to  keep and bare arms. In times of g

Re: Civilization's thin vaneer

2005-08-31 Thread Wesley Bruce
RC Macaulay wrote: Watching the unrestrained looting via TV in New Orleans can give one an insight why the people need the right to keep and bare arms. In times of great calamities, people show their base instincts were it good or evil. The police cannot cope with mass looting of this sc

Re: The New Republic article

2005-08-31 Thread Wesley Bruce
Jed Rothwell wrote: Thomas malloy wrote: Jed posted on an article published in the New Republic putting down cold fusion. The article is available by subscription only, however he posted the following URL http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16414974%5E28737,00.html

Re: Hal Fox on High Density Charge Clusters

2005-08-31 Thread Grimer
At 04:38 pm 30/08/2005 -0400, Terry wrote: See the diagram. Looks a lot like MAHG. > http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/mar2/fox.htm > > Excerpt: > > "Kenneth Shoulders was the first to discover and > obtain a patent using HDCC technology.[2] > > When warned by his patent attorney that there