Terry posted;
Here's an interesting analysis of Meyer's patent:
I met Stan at a Tesla conference in 1994. My brother, my engineer
friend, my nephew and I drove to Ohio to see this marvel of technology.
Stan did his stick and then asked us for $50,000, but he'd take 10%
down. We declined. M
Re: Scientists? We note voltage..but no mention of current
- Original Message -
From: Harry Veeder
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: Scientists? We note voltage..but no mention of current
I don't know anything about this experiment,
but current i
On Friday 26 May 2006 13:47, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> As Jones pointed out, sometimes protons simply aren't there. Maybe
> they go here:
>
> http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-05/du-sph052506.php
>
> One braneworld theorist mentioned here is Lisa Randall. Ah, Lisa
> . . .
>
> http
On Monday 22 May 2006 18:55, Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
> Prime Minister,
>
> As well as having Uranium resources among the largest in the
> World, Australia has about ..
And that is about as far as some would read. Put the word 'uranium' with a
low population density continent thousands of
Robin van Spaandonk wrote:
>
> In reply to Frederick Sparber's message of Sat, 3 Jun 2006
> 20:05:20 -0600:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >> While not as high a voltage as a VDG, you could probably get the
> >> desired effect with the high voltage line from an old TV.
> >> (Don't touch while in operation!).
>
Reaction Kinetics:
http://www.cheresources.com/reactionkinetics3.shtml
Radical Multiplication.
H2O + O ---> 2 OH
2 OH + H2O ---> 3 OH + H
3 OH + H2O ---> 4 OH + H
4 OH + H2O ---> 5 OH + H
5 OH + H2O ---> 6 OH + H
6 OH + H2O ---> 7 OH + H
5 H + 7 OH + n H2O > ??
This is why the use of sp
In reply to Michel Jullian's message of Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:58:38
+0200:
Hi,
[snip]
>The spreadsheet did the dH algebra like it's own mentor told it, Fred.
>
>You could try downloading the trial version of CHEMIX (Google it) ans see what
>their thermochemistry section gives for this reaction? Mine
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:21
-0700:
Hi,
>Excerpts from: Electronics World & Wireless World (Jan 1991) also:
>Infinite Energy 19:(1998) Obituary, and KeelyNet File MEYER1.ASC
>and the famous UK panel evaluation, which Frank Grimer will
>sympathize with.
[snip]
>"In
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:16:32
-0400:
Hi,
[snip]
>See:
>
>http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZhangXontheexplo.pdf
Their w-s sound a lot like hydrino formation to me.
Regards,
Robin van Spaandonk
http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/
Competition provides the motivatio
In reply to Frederick Sparber's message of Sat, 3 Jun 2006
20:05:20 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
>> While not as high a voltage as a VDG, you could probably get the
>> desired effect with the high voltage line from an old TV.
>> (Don't touch while in operation!).
>>
>Not the Free Electrostatic electrons you
Robin wrote:
>
> In reply to Frederick Sparber's message of Fri, 2 Jun 2006
> 19:54:42 -0600:
> Hi Fred,
> [snip]
> >BTW, anyone have a small Van De Graaff that could be
> >used to put some static charge on a Joe Cell?
> [snip]
> While not as high a voltage as a VDG, you could probably get the
> d
In reply to Frederick Sparber's message of Fri, 2 Jun 2006
19:54:42 -0600:
Hi Fred,
[snip]
>BTW, anyone have a small Van De Graaff that could be
>used to put some static charge on a Joe Cell?
[snip]
While not as high a voltage as a VDG, you could probably get the
desired effect with the high volta
Robin wrote:
>
> In reply to Frederick Sparber's message of Sat, 3 Jun 2006
> 15:07:59 -0600:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >BTW, Jones.
> >
> >That "pretreatment" can be loading the water with
> >H2CO3 - H" HCO3 - plus all the other "acid" atmospheric
> >gases SO2 & NOx etc.and aldehydes.
> >
> >Ours was s
Jones Beene wrote:
>
> Fred
>
> >We ran it for several hours with distilled water only
> at about 1.9 milliamperes at 12 volts (24 milliwatts). nada gas
>
> Ha - several hours isn't enough. The way you would "precondition"
> the water for later use in the JC, is after about 12 hours - then
> use
In reply to Grimer's message of Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:03:35 +0100:
Hi,
[snip]
>At 07:18 pm 02/06/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Terry
>>
>>http://www.physorg.com/news67796415.html
>>
>>"Russian scientists have invented a battery that can capture energy not
>>onl
Oops sorry Fred the gaseous reaction from the
spreadsheet was at 700°C (remnant from a previous reaction), at STP (25°C and
1atm) it is in fact:
O2(g) + 2 H2(g) -> 2 H2O(g) + 483.636 kJ/mol
(exothermic)
No, I mean that the cell's current is far from proportional to the voltage
applied to it (it's more like a quadratic function)
Enough science tutoring for today, good night :)
Michel
- Original Message -
From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:02 AM
Do you mean the resistance is so small as to be immeasurable?
Harry
Michel Jullian wrote:
> Sure, such loads (e.g. electric heaters) are called resistive loads. But the
> GDPE cell which was being discussed is far from resistive!
>
> Michel
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Harry Veede
In reply to Frederick Sparber's message of Sat, 3 Jun 2006
15:07:59 -0600:
Hi,
[snip]
>BTW, Jones.
>
>That "pretreatment" can be loading the water with
>H2CO3 - H" HCO3 - plus all the other "acid" atmospheric
>gases SO2 & NOx etc.and aldehydes.
>
>Ours was sealed at ATM pressure minus 5 inches H
Sure, such loads (e.g. electric heaters) are called resistive loads. But the
GDPE cell which was being discussed is far from resistive!
Michel
- Original Message -
From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: Scientists? We note voltage
Fred,
http://antoine.frostburg.edu/chem/senese/101/thermo/ :
"estimating H from
bond enthalpies
strategy: imagine reaction as a) dissociation of reactants into atoms, b)
recombination of atoms into products.
Add enthalpies for all product bonds
Add enthalpies for all rea
With my limited knowledge of electricity I meant the latter.
Anyway, can a load act as a resistor?
Harry
Michel Jullian wrote:
> Harry, what makes you think the load acted as a resistor? Or did you mean
> "current is not always essential for calculating the power, e.g. in the case
> of a resis
Fred
We ran it for several hours with distilled water only
at about 1.9 milliamperes at 12 volts (24 milliwatts). nada gas
Ha - several hours isn't enough. The way you would "preconditon"
the water for later use in the JC, is after about 12 hours - then
use it for the ICE... obviously pure w
BTW, Jones.
That "pretreatment" can be loading the water with
H2CO3 - H" HCO3 - plus all the other "acid" atmospheric
gases SO2 & NOx etc.and aldehydes.
Ours was sealed at ATM pressure minus 5 inches Hg pressure.
- Original Message -
From: Frederick Sparber
To: vortex-l
Sent:
We ran it for several hours with distilled water only
at about 1.9 milliamperes at 12 volts (24 milliwatts). nada gas
Can you come with some appropriate incantations Jones?
>
> One thing that I hope you will definitely try in your device is
> comparing the normal output - versus using "pre
Jones Beene wrote:
>
> Frederick
>
> > Our 12 "wall-plate" electrolysis cell is generating lots of
> > "Brown's Gas" or H + OH at 0.8 amperes 12 volts (9.6 watts) on
> > the
> > 11 series cells (~1.1 volts/cell) (10 floating plates) with the
> > NaHCO3-Borax mix. pH ~ 10.5.
>
> Can you get idea
Michel.
In the reaction 2 H-H + O-O > 2 H-O-H you are breaking three 498,000 Joule/mole
(5.17 eV Bonds) = 1.490E6 joules input to make four 498,000 Joule/mole (5.17 eV bonds)
= 1.99E6 joules for the 2 H-O-H molecules.
Hence, you should get 1.99E6 - 1.49E6 = 498,000 Joules free energy.
The spreadsheet did the dH algebra like it's own mentor
told it, Fred.
You could try downloading the trial version of CHEMIX
(Google it) ans see what their thermochemistry section gives for this reaction?
Mine has expired, and was in Norwegian or something for some reason (must have
missed
Frederick
Our 12 "wall-plate" electrolysis cell is generating lots of
"Brown's Gas" or H + OH at 0.8 amperes 12 volts (9.6 watts) on
the
11 series cells (~1.1 volts/cell) (10 floating plates) with the
NaHCO3-Borax mix. pH ~ 10.5.
Can you get idea of the thermodynamic balance P-in to P-out
-Original Message-
From: Jones Beene
For the "numbers-folks" amongst-us, here is some useful background data
for the WasserCar,
<><><><><>
Thanks, Mr. Beene! I have been meaning to put all this together in one
post but have not had the time.
Excellent post!
Terry
__
How do they do that?
My calculations are always using dG algebra like my mentors told me.
BTW. I don't have Excel. :-(
Fred
- Original Message -
From: Michel Jullian
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: 6/3/2006 12:13:36 PM
Subject: Re: Free Radical Chain Reactions
My sprea
My spreadsheet finds at 25° and
1atm:
O2(g) + 2 H2(g) -> 2 H2O(l) + 571.66 kJ/mol
(exothermic)
Spontaneous at 25°C. Equilibrium at about
1477°C.
USe This downloadable-storable Otto and Diesel Calculator
and plug in Argon (gamma 1.67) Jones.
Just by changing gamma from 1.4 for air on a 7:1 compression
ratio closed Ottto cycle engine the efficiecy jumps from 54.08% to 72.85%
http://members.aol.com/engware/calc3.htm
Our 12 "wall-plate" elec
Oh I see, "La petomaine" meant "Le pétomane", I would never have thought you
barbars could mangle French gender and spelling that much ;-)
I guess the spelling mistake stems from US mispronunciation "petomain"
instead of "petoman"?
Michel
- Original Message -
From: "Frederick Sparber"
Michel Jullian wrote:
>
> Fred I really meant "the reaction below", H2 combustion in O2:
>
> 2 H2 + O2 > 2 H2O
>
Gibbs Free Energy from CRC tables.
HOH - 56.687 (liquid)
OH + 8.18
HO-OH - 28.78
H +48.58
H2 0.00
O + 55.39
O2
For the "numbers-folks" amongst-us, here is some useful background
data for the WasserCar, and for hydrogen fuel in general, along
with ongoing commentary about the difference in using H2+O2 as
opposed to "common-manifold," or Brown's gas.
One mole of hydrogen is two grams; the gram molecule o
Fred I really meant "the reaction below", H2 combustion in O2:
2 H2 + O2 > 2 H2O
How many joules per mole does this produce, and does this correspond to the
enthalpy change or to the Gibbs free energy change of the reaction?
The question is only intended to solve the controversy one way or
Were you serious, Michel? :-)
Google of La Petomaine:
http://www.amiannoying.com/(j5fmnq55g2l1mkv1te4jshrb)/view.aspx?ID=4101
Joseph Pujol
"(1857-1945)Born in Marseilles, son of a baker/confectionerParisian music hall entertainer famed for his flatulent act at the Moulin Rouge in Paris (
Harry, what makes you think the load acted as a resistor? Or did you mean
"current is not always essential for calculating the power, e.g. in the case
of a resistor..."
John,
1/ energy is discussed further down that page, in the COP calculations
2/ what does "La Petomaine" mean?
Michel
- O
Andrew Beckwith, while attending this seminar in Italy:
http://www.ccsem.infn.it/ef/emfcsc2006/pdf/Astrophysical.pdf
made the following comment on the referenced subject in an email to
Sarfatti:
"They regard your treatment as an indication of serious sociological
decay in the USA, in the US
-Original Message-
From: Grimer
Maybe not:
http://pesn.com/2006/05/31/9500274_Star_Battery/
Terry
MmmInteresting. 8-)
<><><><><><>
Yes. But I am having trouble relating to the significance of a
negative permittivity. :-(
Terry (who has been very busy trying to confirm
Michel Jullian wrote:
>
> BTW Fred, have you given some thought to our enthalpy vs Gibbs
controversy?
> Which energy can be recovered from the reaction below do you think, the
> enthalpy change or the Gibbs free energy change?
>
Is that a trick question, Michel?
The H-H bond is 498 Kjoule/mole
BTW Fred, have you given some thought to our enthalpy vs gibbs controversy?
Which energy can be recovered from the reaction below do you think, the
enthalpy change or the gibbs free eneregy change?
Michel
- Original Message -
From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "vortex-l"
At 07:18 pm 02/06/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Terry
>
>http://www.physorg.com/news67796415.html
>
>"Russian scientists have invented a battery that can capture energy not
>only from the sun, but also from the stars, the head of a research
>institute at the Dubn
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