Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics

2007-02-04 Thread thomas malloy
Someone posted the idea of powering their lifter with batteries. I'd like to suggest a MHD generator. It would seem to me that ti would be lighter, I don't know about the price though. This is a device several guys on this list could build and test. Harry --- http://USFam

Re: [Vo]: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics

2007-02-04 Thread Michael Foster
Stephen A Lawrence wrote: > You've said two different things here: "the strength of the > field will drop", and "the voltage drops". The dielectric will > _certainly_ affect the voltage, just as interposing a charged > parallel plate capacitor would affect the voltage (which would > reduce it by

Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday February 2, 2007

2007-02-04 Thread thomas malloy
David Thomson wrote: 2. PARIS: THE IPCC REPORT ISSUED TODAY IS ALREADY OUT OF DATE. Out of date? It is incomplete to begin with. Why isn't there any mention of the fact that every planet in the solar system, along with their moons, are undergoing rapid climate change along with the Earth?

[Vo]: Re:[VO]: vortex-digest Digest V2007 #50

2007-02-04 Thread RC Macaulay
Blankjohn herman wrote.. General post: Open question set: NB: This is intended to address real world science. NOT theory. Please defive term[s] and or experiment[s] which support answer. This is an attempt to guide vortex back toward science, as opposed to armchair thinking and the l

Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics

2007-02-04 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel Jullian wrote: > It won't rise but some of the ions will go round or even through the paper so > you'll get some remaining thrust, it's very hard to insulate high voltages. Well one could also do what Stephen A. Lawrence suggested earlier. Put the lifter inside a box and place the box on a

Re: [Vo]: Re: vortex-digest Digest V2007 #50

2007-02-04 Thread John Berry
On 2/5/07, Stiffler Scientific <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: John Berry said; >>I hate theory, but must add that understanding what is going on with this technology is important if it is to become a science. John, so is this the old 'Chicken and Egg' thing? Maybe I do not understand what you m

RE: [Vo]: Re: vortex-digest Digest V2007 #50

2007-02-04 Thread Stiffler Scientific
John Berry said; >>I hate theory, but must add that understanding what is going on with this technology is important if it is to become a science. John, so is this the old 'Chicken and Egg' thing? Maybe I do not understand what you meant, but isn't there two ways of doing things; 1) Idea, (Hyp

Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics

2007-02-04 Thread Michel Jullian
It won't rise but some of the ions will go round or even through the paper so you'll get some remaining thrust, it's very hard to insulate high voltages. Anyway no one serious in the field still doubts the ion wind hypothesis, for thousands of reasons, not the least of them being that it has bee

Re: [Vo]: Re: vortex-digest Digest V2007 #50

2007-02-04 Thread John Berry
On 2/5/07, Stiffler Scientific <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You are calling it right? I have been in and out of groups for over 12 years now and it has not changed. The hands on people are 1% of the listers. I have cried foul often about the arm chair crowd and they just tell me to 'MOVE ON'.

Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics

2007-02-04 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel Jullian wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Harry Veeder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 2:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Fred's Van de Graaff Antics > > >> Michel Jullian wrote: >> >>> Sure Harry it's ion wind. Naudin's comment, athough somewh

Re: [Vo]: Re: vortex-digest Digest V2007 #50

2007-02-04 Thread Harry Veeder
john herman wrote: Dear Vo., General post: Open question set: NB: This is intended to address real world science. NOT theory. Please defive term[s] and or experiment[s] which support answer. This is an attempt to guide vortex back toward science, as opposed to armchair thinking and

RE: [Vo]: Re: vortex-digest Digest V2007 #50

2007-02-04 Thread Stiffler Scientific
You are calling it right? I have been in and out of groups for over 12 years now and it has not changed. The hands on people are 1% of the listers. I have cried foul often about the arm chair crowd and they just tell me to 'MOVE ON'. I guess ego and self stroking gets them off more than doing and

[Vo]: Re: Re: vortex-digest Digest V2007 #50

2007-02-04 Thread Michel Jullian
Saw my name at the bottom of your post so I feel a bit responsible for your distress. (A) e.g. an electric monopole is a single charge: http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/ElectricMonopole.html as opposed to an electric dipole: http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/ElectricDipole.html wh

[Vo]: Re: vortex-digest Digest V2007 #50

2007-02-04 Thread john herman
Dear Vo., General post: Open question set: NB: This is intended to address real world science. NOT theory. Please defive term[s] and or experiment[s] which support answer. This is an attempt to guide vortex back toward science, as opposed to armchair thinking and the like. (A) Can