[Vo]: Re: Climate Change

2007-02-07 Thread Michel Jullian
Thomas, global temperature is the result of just two things: incident solar power, and ability of the planet to retain the heat. Failing to see that both phenomenons are equally important amounts to wearing blinds. The more solar power we get, the more we must reduce, or at least stop

Re: [Vo]: Global warming skepticism alive and well (was Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-...])

2007-02-07 Thread Michel Jullian
Now you mention it, anybody knows if anything positive came out of their Toyota/Technova funded CF lab in Nice, France? Michel - Original Message - From: David Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:13 AM Subject: RE: [Vo]: Global warming

[Vo]: Re: Re: Climate Change

2007-02-07 Thread Michel Jullian
Thomas, global temperature is the result of just two things Correction: until our non solar heat output (= non renewable energy consumption) becomes sizeable compared to the solar input, as previously discussed. Michel - Original Message - From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

[Vo]: Once a Dream Fuel, Palm Oil May Be an Eco-Nightmare

2007-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Yet another bio-fuel turns out be an environmental nightmare. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/business/worldbusiness/31biofuel.html?pagewanted=1ei=5070en=f15ff4f804f7d47aex=1170997200 QUOTES: AMSTERDAM, Jan. 25 ­ Just a few years ago, politicians and environmental groups in the

Re: [Vo]: Global warming skepticism alive and well (was Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-...])

2007-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian wrote: Now you mention it, anybody knows if anything positive came out of their Toyota/Technova funded CF lab in Nice, France? Many positive results came from this effort: 1. Johnson-Matthey learned how to make Pd that works nearly every time. They characterize the material

Re: [Vo]: Re: Climate Change

2007-02-07 Thread Michel Jullian
You know what happens when you assume? It makes an ass out of u and me? Dr Ball won't make the headlines by pointing out that plant growth is stimulated by an increase in CO2 levels I am afraid. Indeed there is some self correction built in the system, so what? You really believe climate

Re: [Vo]: Once a Dream Fuel, Palm Oil May Be an Eco-Nightmare

2007-02-07 Thread leaking pen
its all in teh execution. On 2/7/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yet another bio-fuel turns out be an environmental nightmare. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/business/worldbusiness/31biofuel.html?pagewanted=1ei=5070en=f15ff4f804f7d47aex=1170997200 QUOTES: AMSTERDAM, Jan. 25

Re: [Vo]: Global warming skepticism alive and well (was Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-...])

2007-02-07 Thread Michel Jullian
Long time no talk Jed, you are dearly missed you-know-where. Thanks for the rich historical details, but am I correct in understanding that nothing positive _actually came out_ of it, in spite of various hints and possibilities of a different outcome? Although I agree to a large extent that

Re: [Vo]: Re: Climate Change

2007-02-07 Thread thomas malloy
Michel Jullian wrote: Dr Ball won't make the headlines by pointing out that plant growth is stimulated by an increase in CO2 levels I am afraid. The increased plant growth is a self correcting element that's engaging that it won't be reported is because the press has the same agenda that

Re: [Vo]: Global warming skepticism alive and well (was Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-...])

2007-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Michel Jullian wrote: Thanks for the rich historical details, but am I correct in understanding that nothing positive _actually came out_ of it . . . That is incorrect. See the paper I referenced earlier: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RouletteTresultsofi.pdf 74 watts continuously for 40 to

Re: [Vo]: Re: Climate Change

2007-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
thomas malloy wrote: Dr Ball won't make the headlines by pointing out that plant growth is stimulated by an increase in CO2 levels I am afraid. The increased plant growth is a self correcting element . . . It is self correcting in a sense, but before the correction runs its course, it will

Re: [Vo]: Re: Climate Change

2007-02-07 Thread John Berry
Actually I think I recall that sun light measurements over the decades are showing that less sun is reaching the surface at least. On 2/8/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Dr Ball won't make the headlines by pointing out that plant growth is stimulated by an

[Vo]: Paper Planes

2007-02-07 Thread Jones Beene
This is not exactly a book review-reread of Virtual Light - which was the first novel in what has become known as the 'bridge trilogy' by SciFi visionary (and one of the more infamous 'Nam-era draft-dodgers) William Gibson. This post is really more about bio-mimicry and future of (non-origami)

[Vo]: Speed of light confirmed

2007-02-07 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OK, I admit it, this is pretty boring. But you folks are the only people I can think of who might possibly respond to this with something other than a glazed look and the question, You did what? Uh ... why? The answer, of course, is just cause I wanted to see for myself. Basement

Re: [Vo]: Global warming skepticism alive and well (was Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-...])

2007-02-07 Thread Philip Winestone
Pathological scepticism is not the same as deliberately lying to cover up meaningful results. P. At 09:43 AM 2/7/2007 -0500, you wrote: Michel Jullian wrote: Now you mention it, anybody knows if anything positive came out of their Toyota/Technova funded CF lab in Nice, France? Many

Re: [Vo]: Global warming skepticism alive and well (was Re: [Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-...])

2007-02-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Philip Winestone wrote: Pathological scepticism is not the same as deliberately lying to cover up meaningful results. That is true. But in the case of the NHE and Toyota, I sense that the decision makers do not believe the results, so they lie about them. I think that is also how the people

[Vo]: Re:[VO]: Global warming skepticism alive..

2007-02-07 Thread RC Macaulay
Jed Rothwell wrote.. but that is a political problem, not scientific. Howdy Jed, A keen insight you have. Things happen in the world that most attribute to conspiracy when they should be blamed on attitude. Given an opportunity, laws of human nature demand actions be met with inaction of

[Vo]: Re: Speed of light confirmed

2007-02-07 Thread Michel Jullian
Well done Stephen! To make the measurement truly accessible to all, the next step would be to eliminate the digital scope, replacing it with a handful of inexpensive digital components. One could use a fast clocked counter IC started by the near end signal and stopped by the far end one.