Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Vorts, The use of the word "bailout" is not descriptive of the intent of the package of legislature that failed to win support in congress. An analogy to the "plan" offered by Paulson is more like who get's a seat in the lifeboat. Paulson suggests a 700 billion size lifeboat will handle al

Re: [Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity?

2008-09-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Newtonian theory predicts black holes but they're not quite like relativistic black holes: There's no singularity in a Newtonian black hole. The funky thing about a relativistic black hole is not the fact that light can't escape, which a Newtonian black hole shares; it's that they undergo runaway

[Vo]:Black Holes from Newtonian Gravity?

2008-09-30 Thread Harry Veeder
Wouldn't Newton Gravity predict something akin to the black holes of General Relativity if the escape velocity of a massive body exceeds the speed light? harry

[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Historical events often do pile on one another

2008-09-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Rick Monteverde wrote: There's so much in this, political, economic, legal & otherwise, we'll need lots of time to see it all, have it all unravel and be exposed. It's too many historical events too fast. These few days will be analyzed in great detail over years to come, like one of those de

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread Rick Monteverde
_ From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 4:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Jed - >> They should magically impose their will on the party if they honestly believe it is "good

[Vo]:Westenhaus on Arata

2008-09-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Brian Westenhaus wrote about Arata recently: http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2008/09/29/the-nuclear-success-that-wasn%E2%80%99t-is-alive-and-well/ I hate to tell him I have doubts about Arata, but I probably should. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread Edmund Storms
You may be right. However, the government is not the only source of funds nor is the bailout the only money being supplied by the government. The panic in the public was caused by an advertised effort to get this huge source of money available so that the financial companies would not coll

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
DJIA is up 232 points from the open, but it was down 750 points on Friday. According to the WSJ, > Stocks staged a partial recovery Tuesday as investors hoped a revised > financial rescue plan will emerge. In other words, the recovery, such as it has been so far, is apparently (as far as folks c

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread Edmund Storms
Well, for those who are still interested, the market is recovering nicely. However, while the stocks that are most at risk from the immediate problems are going up, the stocks that are expected to suffer from a recession are continuing downward. In other words, the basic market does not

Re: [Vo]:Luscious Garage Prius conversion

2008-09-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > Its original nickel-metal-hydride battery packs have been replaced > with lead acid batteries to extend the distance the car can travel on > electricity. That's the first time I've heard of someone actually gutting the Prius and replacing all the batteries in a plug

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Ron Wormus wrote: > Jones, > All true enough but big companies run on credit, and if they don't have > it, it's going to cause big problems in relatively short order. The > Depression, Japan's "lost decade," the Russian currency crisis--all the > biggest drops in GDP were finance related. When

Re: [Vo]:Luscious Garage Prius conversion

2008-09-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: > Here is an article about Prius conversions done by Carolyn Coquillette. > She is a remarkable person with a degree in physics and one in English, > who runs a garage: > > http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/30/hybrid.electric.conversion/index.html > > Wow! She is doi

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jed Rothwell wrote: > Maybe you despise Democrats Wilson and FDR for saving England's > butt in WWI and WWII? Don't forget China's butt, too. One might argue that England would have survived WWII even if the United States hadn't directly entered the war, but it's hard to say that about China,

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread Remi Cornwall
Mmmh, perhaps you should get him to research and write about CF. _ From: Edmund Storms [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 September 2008 14:58 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Actually, Bill Bonner shares your basic attitude

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread Edmund Storms
Actually, Bill Bonner shares your basic attitude toward government, except he is a better writer and has researched the issue in depth.. Ed On Sep 30, 2008, at 3:09 AM, Remi Cornwall wrote: Sure looks like hate speech to me… You sure you want these guys being leaders of the free world? I

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread OrionWorks
>From Robin, > In reply to OrionWorks's message of Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:42:04 -0500: > Hi, > [snip] >>$41T does sound a little high. A colleague at work got out his >>calculator and figured out that if you divided 40T by 400 million >>Americans, that would amount to a debt load of approximately $

[Vo]:Luscious Garage Prius conversion

2008-09-30 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is an article about Prius conversions done by Carolyn Coquillette. She is a remarkable person with a degree in physics and one in English, who runs a garage: http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/09/30/hybrid.electric.conversion/index.html Interesting quote: "A lot of the cars that pull in

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread OrionWorks
Excerpt from recent TIME article: "Let Risk-Taking Financial Institutions Fail" http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1845209,00.html?cnn=yes "The [currently proposed] bailout will involve a transfer of wealth — from the American people to financial institutions engaging in reckless sp

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread Remi Cornwall
Socialist planned housing = economic melt-down Socialist planned energy = ??? _ From: Remi Cornwall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 September 2008 10:16 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: FW: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout Oh, you're that guy who believes in ruining the econ

FW: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread Remi Cornwall
Oh, you're that guy who believes in ruining the economy with all this GW baloney whilst doing absolutely diddly sqwit to solve it technically. Nice little earner. You know, more government controls, high price fuel, vegan cats and humans, milk the state funding machine. http://www.dailytech.com

RE: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC News of the bailout

2008-09-30 Thread Remi Cornwall
Sure looks like hate speech to me. You sure you want these guys being leaders of the free world? I think the battle lines are clear; a battle between the good of freedom and the evil, lying, socialist control. When will they ever learn? Cash for Trash By Bill Bonner "Bankruptcy of Neo-Ca