RE: [Vo]:Scientists Agree Human-Induced Global Warming Is Real

2009-01-21 Thread Mark Iverson
So what? Here's a place that has 31,072 petition signatures, all with degrees, nearly half with PhDs/MDs. Science is NOT done by concensus! http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_BY_State.html http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/GWPP/Review_Article.html -Mark

Re: [Vo]:Scientists Agree Human-Induced Global Warming Is Real

2009-01-21 Thread Nick Palmer
Mark Iverson wrote: So what? Here's a place that has 31,072 petition signatures, all with degrees, nearly half with PhDs/MDs. Science is NOT done by concensus! http://www.petitionproject.org/gwdatabase/Signers_BY_State.html

Re: [Vo]:Scientists Agree Human-Induced Global Warming Is Real

2009-01-21 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Horace, As anyone will tell you that hangs around the Dime Box saloon, ya halfa be careful of who ya listen to when playing 3 card monte while drinkin' rotgut whiskey outa a tin cup when the bartender draws it from a wooden barrel out back. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_First%21

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia, cold fusion, and censorship

2009-01-21 Thread R C Macaulay
Like illusionalists, Dubai and many so called sovereign wealth fund nations, are composed of smoke and mirrors like Enron. Come payday and the response is 'no sabe'. Perhaps the largest magician of all is Merrill Lynch. They passed themselves off to BoA as pure cherry pie. Not even the Fed can

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia, cold fusion, and censorship

2009-01-21 Thread Jones Beene
Richard, What are the objections of the New Admin prohibiting all publicly traded banks and corporations from owning or trading derivatives? From: R C Macaulay walha...@cvtv.net Like illusionalists, Dubai and many so called sovereign wealth fund

RE: [Vo]:Scientists Agree Human-Induced Global Warming Is Real

2009-01-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
This is a tricky subject. It is easier to deal with conventional data from instrument. Mark Iverson wrote: So what? Here's a place that has 31,072 petition signatures, all with degrees, nearly half with PhDs/MDs. Science is NOT done by concensus! We all agree that science is not a

[Vo]:Obama expresses support for science

2009-01-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Obama's speech seemed pretty good to me. There were references to science and technology that I find encouraging: We will restore science to its rightful place, and wield technology's wonders to raise health care's quality and lower its cost. He praised tolerance and curiosity -- values at

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia, cold fusion, and censorship

2009-01-21 Thread thomas malloy
Jed Rothwell wrote: thomas malloy wrote: Wow! Like the Tower of Babble. There is a tremendous unfinished tower in the middle of Pyongyang, North Korea, called the Ryugyong Hotel Tower. It is eerie! People pretend it is not there. See: Who the hell would want to visit North Korea? Thanks

Re: [Vo]:Obama expresses support for science

2009-01-21 Thread OrionWorks
Jed sez: Obama's speech seemed pretty good to me. There were references to science and technology that I find encouraging: ... It's refreshing to have someone in the WH who can actually articulate. I believe BO gave his speech without teleprompters. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson

Re: [Vo]:Scientists Agree Human-Induced Global Warming Is Real

2009-01-21 Thread Horace Heffner
Richard, I must be missing something, because I don't see how Earth First fits in this picture. Peter Doran, University of Illinois at Chicago associate professor of earth and environmental sciences, along with former graduate student Maggie Kendall Zimmerman, conducted the survey late

Re: [Vo]:Obama expresses support for science

2009-01-21 Thread Horace Heffner
On Jan 21, 2009, at 8:13 AM, OrionWorks wrote: Jed sez: Obama's speech seemed pretty good to me. There were references to science and technology that I find encouraging: ... It's refreshing to have someone in the WH who can actually articulate. I believe BO gave his speech without

[Vo]:Sometimes, consensus is the only thing we have to go on

2009-01-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Nick Palmer is probably itching to say this. We have left out a key point in this discussion. Even though consensus is secondary evidence, and not as satisfactory as direct experimental data, there are times when we must depend upon it. In the case of global warming, we cannot do a planetary

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia, cold fusion, and censorship

2009-01-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 21 Jan 2009 07:37:32 -0800 (PST): Hi, [snip] Richard, What are the objections of the New Admin prohibiting all publicly traded banks and corporations from owning or trading derivatives? [snip] In my opinion it isn't really the instrument itself that is

Re: [Vo]:Obama expresses support for science

2009-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
BO does not speak well without them. Yes, he had his teleprompters for the most important speech of his life: http://www.shallownation.com/2009/01/20/barack-obama-inaugural-address-video-photos/ These photos also show the bulletproof shield. Terry On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, OrionWorks

Re: [Vo]:Obama expresses support for science

2009-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
BTW, John Roberts sure needed a teleprompter since he hosed the Oath of Office. Terry On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:13 PM, OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Jed sez: Obama's speech seemed pretty good to me. There were references to science and technology that I find encouraging: ...

Re: [Vo]:Obama expresses support for science

2009-01-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner wrote: You can clearly see the teleprompting reflective glass screens in some of the broadcasts. Obama is a gifted speaker who makes it seem as if he is not reading. FDR had this knack as well. Also, both of them practiced their speeches many times and memorized portions, so

Re: [Vo]:Obama expresses support for science

2009-01-21 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:51:53 -0500: Hi, [snip] BTW, John Roberts sure needed a teleprompter since he hosed the Oath of Office. Terry I suspect that was deliberate. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html

Re: [Vo]:Obama expresses support for science

2009-01-21 Thread OrionWorks
Horace sez: You can clearly see the teleprompting reflective glass screens in some of the broadcasts. There is one to the right and one to the left. The text alternates between the screens so the speakers head moves from side to side. I stand corrected. I think my wife was so distracted with

[Vo]:A good idea from nanosolar for tarriffing green energy

2009-01-21 Thread Horace Heffner
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/feeding-in-renewable-energy- breakthroughs-5556.html http://tinyurl.com/8n57xd Create a set of national Standard Offers or Feed-in Rates for new, significantly better renewable technologies. This policy would offer predictable compensation to any

[Vo]:Green Energy Initiative

2009-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/feeding-in-renewable-energy-breakthroughs-5556.html Feeding In Renewable Energy Breakthroughs Renewable energy really needs is a shift to permanent, effective policies to pursue and develop its potential, write REPP's George Sterzinger and Nanosolar's

Re: [Vo]:A good idea from nanosolar for tarriffing green energy

2009-01-21 Thread Terry Blanton
Remarkable that I had just posted this same article right after you. I should catch up in reading before posting. But, it's a great proposal coming from Nanosolar. Terry On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia, cold fusion, and censorship

2009-01-21 Thread R C Macaulay
Howdy Jones, Since not even the people that invented derivatives can explain what they are.. and .. since they are not actually carried on any ledger, how would a bank evaulate a big D? Unless.. well.. err.. that's the purpose behind them. There is some 350 trillion( nobody knows how much

Re: [Vo]:Obama expresses support for science

2009-01-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: BTW, John Roberts sure needed a teleprompter since he hosed the Oath of Office. That poor man! He must have been mortified. He was seen telling Obama it was my fault. They straightened it out today. Roberts came to the White House and administered the oath again. (Really.)

Re: [Vo]:Obama expresses support for science

2009-01-21 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here is an interesting footnote to history, from the Washington Post: Two presidents -- Calvin Coolidge and Chester A. Arthur -- have retaken the oath because of unusual circumstances the first time around. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Wikipedia, cold fusion, and censorship

2009-01-21 Thread R C Macaulay
Further to big D's . Over the past 25 years the Gov't, States, Cities, business and people have been on a spending spree financed mostly by bonds. An estimated 150-300 trillion in bonds have been sold. Where did the money go? a third of it went to fees and commissions, lawyers, Insurance