[Vo]:A bit more, from Hiddink...

2009-06-15 Thread John Berry
The invention is based on Faraday's problem: Two concentric metal spheres do not touch and form a capcitor C. That one is charged up to a potential V. Then the outside sphere is removed. The remaining sphere is a 1-terminal Capacitor c. The potential on that sphere is momentarily C/c x V. It is s

Re: [Vo]:Help Vortex

2009-06-15 Thread John Berry
Agreed. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Steven Krivit wrote: > Any or all of us could take responsibility in helping to maintain the > effectiveness and integrity of the list. > > I was not acutely aware that RELIGION and POLITICS were inappropriate > subjects here until this recent flare-up. I,

Re: [Vo]:When two wrongs make a right -- oil and nuclear

2009-06-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Lawrence de Bivort's message of Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:08:33 -0400: Hi Lawrence, [snip] >Hi, Robin, > >Agreed that carbons can be used to make carbon compounds. But, as you point >out, there is non-trivial the matter of energy consumed in the process and, >I would add, the non-trivial mat

[Vo]:Matched Impedances in Resonant Water Cell Design

2009-06-15 Thread Harvey Norris
I have procurred and tested a 60 hz resonant supply to a DC water cell. This was in earlier winter months where I became fascinated by the end component which can act through the air; where these were high induction coil pairs of 60 H paired through air to a pair of 23 mh coils made as two spoo

[Vo]:My own apology

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Mcallister
Vortex, I have apologized to Jed. I don't know if he will accept it, but nevertheless, I post it here as well, to make a public statement of it. Jed and I do not agree on many things. But unfortunately, I took advantage of that, and lashed out in anger. I feel anger first, when I perceive a th

[Vo]:Ferrite Fishing Expedition.

2009-06-15 Thread Harvey Norris
A 240 degree F heat release is made on a laser light measurement of the 3/8 wide block. From notes a 1DCA field current from a 9.2 DCV source enabled three stator phases of 13.8 volts. Each phase recorded the following inputs 1) 26 volts (resonant voltage rise) enabling .35 A across 2.3 ohm de

Re: [Vo]:Help Vortex

2009-06-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Steven Krivit wrote: > (I presume that threads about energy politics are > acceptable.) Rothwell might disagree. Terry

[Vo]:Help Vortex

2009-06-15 Thread Steven Krivit
Any or all of us could take responsibility in helping to maintain the effectiveness and integrity of the list. I was not acutely aware that RELIGION and POLITICS were inappropriate subjects here until this recent flare-up. I, of course, thought they were OT, but tolerated. Now if the word fr

Re: [Vo]:4D WATER

2009-06-15 Thread harvich
Oh dear; here I am trying to clean out my yahoo mail acct; which incidentally was recently phished; but because I have 132,000 messages or something this takes forever at 25 messages at a shot, and the yahoo loading time for that instruction ect... So I started from A in alphabetical sending or

Re: [Vo]:On Topic

2009-06-15 Thread Terry Blanton
Lately Shipov, et. al., has been claiming some reactionless drive effects. Terry On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: > On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Kyle > Mcallister wrote: > >> As to torsion, are you referring to the stuff Alexander Shpilman and co. >> were doing? Weren't

Re: [Vo]:On Topic

2009-06-15 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: > As to torsion, are you referring to the stuff Alexander Shpilman and co. were > doing? Weren't they exposed as frauds? Is he affiliated with Gennady Shipov? I always considered Shipov the torsion czar. (Oops! Not intended to be a pol s

Re: [Vo]:Th e "SNIP" of Jed.

2009-06-15 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jun 15, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Edmund Storms wrote: Kyle, in the absence of Jed, I feel it's my duty to educate about cold fusion. If you want to know what has been learned up to 2007, I suggest you read my book "The Science of Low Energy Nuclear Re

Re: [Vo]:On Topic

2009-06-15 Thread John Berry
Note, a post detailing the effect/device is coming, might take a bit before it's complete... On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: > > --- On Mon, 6/15/09, Chris Zell wrote: > > > From: Chris Zell > > Subject: Re: [Vo]:On Topic > > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > > Date: Monday, J

Re: [Vo]:Ban religion/politics permanently?

2009-06-15 Thread John Fields
On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:58:42 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >I see that Vortex has acquired the religion/politics illness that affects >most forums. Or call it "poor health," where natural defenses begin to >fail, and opportunistic infections start appearing. --- Indeed. --- >We could ban politics pe

Re: [Vo]:On Topic

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Chris Zell wrote: > From: Chris Zell > Subject: Re: [Vo]:On Topic > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 7:15 PM > OK, I'm interested in the > anomalies you mentioned, particularly the conditioning of > space. > The whole no ether thing never made sense to

Re: [Vo]:Th e "SNIP" of Jed.

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Edmund Storms wrote: > Kyle, in the absence of Jed, I feel it's my duty to educate > about cold fusion. If you want to know what has been learned > up to 2007, I suggest you read my book "The Science of Low > Energy Nuclear Reaction". If you want to learn what is going > on

Re: [Vo]:On Topic

2009-06-15 Thread Chris Zell
OK, I'm interested in the anomalies you mentioned, particularly the conditioning of space. The whole no ether thing never made sense to me because the characteristic impedance of space is about 328 ohms and is a real factor in antenna design..   No Ether?  What's impeding the RF?    I think char

Re: [Vo]:On Topic

2009-06-15 Thread John Berry
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:36 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > > > John Berry wrote: > > I have been on vortex for, well not as long as some but I guess, hmmm, > > might be over a decade now though, lurking more often than not. > > > > Anyway it seems that on topic posts are kinda rare, especially

Re: [Vo]:Th e "SNIP" of Jed.

2009-06-15 Thread Edmund Storms
On Jun 15, 2009, at 3:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote: --- On Sun, 6/14/09, Mike Carrell wrote: There is no 'try to understand' of many of the caustic things he's said about workers and the average man. Now everyone is going to try and candy coat things. I'm sorry, try someone else, thi

Re: [Vo]:On Topic

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, John Berry wrote: > Personally my interest is in the aether and I have much > evidence for a model I have developed which explains most > everything and roughly how to do almost anything, but I can > not imagine trying to wade into that subject here. I've had an interest in

Re: [Vo]:Jed's temporary ban...

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- On Mon, 6/15/09, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > From: Stephen A. Lawrence > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Jed's temporary ban... > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 8:22 AM > > > Interesting page.  Here are some comments (yes, > they're just theory, I > don't have a 30K DC supply t

Re: [Vo]:Th e "SNIP" of Jed.

2009-06-15 Thread Kyle Mcallister
--- On Sun, 6/14/09, Mike Carrell wrote: > Kyle sees snapshots of Jed as a cruel and arrogant person > -- in fact he drives a cheap car. Prius is not cheap. $1000 Buick is cheap. > What Kyle does not see is > Jed's acute and passionate awareness of the millions in > developing nations whose l

RE: [Vo]:Calcium - sodium serendipity?

2009-06-15 Thread Rick Monteverde
Horace - Free association^2 ... Some theories hold that some of the tiny calcium particles in some water supplies are formed by nanobacteria. Water with "special properties" (healing, etc.), for instance Arkansas hot springs water, have a high concentration of these organisms(?). Don't know if t

[Vo]:'Bye, all

2009-06-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
I'm outta here. It's been real. It was fun, but lately it's taking too much time and resulting in too much bad karma for the amount of information gained. If I've got time in my hands in a while I may check the archives and if it looks interesting I'll resubscribe, but for now, I can use the tim

[Vo]:Calcium - sodium serendipity?

2009-06-15 Thread Horace Heffner
This is just an observation that may or may not be serendipitous, but striking enough to me to document it. This morning I thought my electric coffee pot was malfunctioning. It was very loud and quite disconcerting for a while until I figured out what was happening. It was cavitating loudl

Re: [Vo]:Politics and 'politics'....

2009-06-15 Thread Edmund Storms
I agree with the view expressed here by Lawrence. In addition, this is a group of individuals who like to get to know each other while they discussion the scientific ideas. This social interaction is important and I would like to have it accepted as a normal part of these communications. Of

[Vo]:Politics and 'politics'....

2009-06-15 Thread Lawrence de Bivort
It seems to me that there are, for our purposes here, two very different "politics." There is political commentary dealing with the world at large. Sometimes it is informed commentary, sometimes it is rant, and sometimes it is mere labeling and insult. And then there is the 'politics' of CF, or o

[Vo]:Some follow-up comments concerning Mr. Beaty's thoughts on religion and politics within Vortex-l

2009-06-15 Thread OrionWorks
I hope Mr. Beaty has not taken offense to the fact that I have often described him as the Virtual God of Vortex-l - the Vort Collective or Continuum. No offence was intended. It can be a difficult job playing the role of a Moderator. So many different opinions can be expressed. Opinions and discus

Re: [Vo]:A good bye from Jed for now-this will change, I hope

2009-06-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: >>From Stephen Lawrence > >> OrionWorks wrote: > BTW, I seem to recall that once you yourself attempted to perform a > thorough analysis of the "grok" persona. Right. On 2/24, about four months before the big blowup, I replied to one of Grok's posts with such an analysis. A

Re: [Vo]:A good bye from Jed for now-this will change, I hope

2009-06-15 Thread OrionWorks
>From Stephen Lawrence > OrionWorks wrote: [ ... ] > >> I believe you are conveniently reinterpreting Jed's comments >> to craft your own vision of Jed, implying that he is behaving >> like a sulking child for not getting his own way... > Where is the technical content here? > > Encouraging Grok

Re: [Vo]:On Topic

2009-06-15 Thread Alexander Hollins
I am very interested in aethor theories, as well as a replicatable free energy device. I would be a great test, if i can build it, anyone can! heh. On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:44 AM, John Berry wrote: > I have been on vortex for, well not as long as some but I guess, hmmm, might > be over a decad

Re: [Vo]:On Topic

2009-06-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
John Berry wrote: > I have been on vortex for, well not as long as some but I guess, hmmm, > might be over a decade now though, lurking more often than not. > > Anyway it seems that on topic posts are kinda rare, especially if you > assume that the topic is not just alternative sources of energy

Re: [Vo]:A good bye from Jed for now-this will change, I hope

2009-06-15 Thread Alexander Hollins
Im just saying, lets not martyrize him. and, if someone personally responds to me, even if its in such as way as to speak about me as if i wasn't persent, I'm going to respond. and, there is still a place for his political rants, on VoB. whether he does so or not, is up to him. and im not annoye

Re: [Vo]:A good bye from Jed for now-this will change, I hope

2009-06-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OrionWorks wrote: [ ... ] > > I believe you are conveniently reinterpreting Jed's comments to craft > your own vision of Jed, implying that he is behaving like a sulking > child for not getting his own way... Where is the technical content here? Encouraging Grok by responding to his messages -

Re: [Vo]:A good bye from Jed for now-this will change, I hope

2009-06-15 Thread OrionWorks
>From Mr. Hollins: > Considering that the other person banned has already been > reinstated after asking Bill directly and saying he won't > do it again, and the fact that Jed said, >From Jed: >>> I did not realize that people there are uninterested in the >>> politics of cold fusion. >>> Since t

[Vo]:On Topic

2009-06-15 Thread John Berry
I have been on vortex for, well not as long as some but I guess, hmmm, might be over a decade now though, lurking more often than not. Anyway it seems that on topic posts are kinda rare, especially if you assume that the topic is not just alternative sources of energy but IMO things the "skeptics"

Re: [Vo]:A good bye from Jed for now-this will change, I hope

2009-06-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Alexander Hollins wrote: > Can we get back to discussing actual science, pretty pretty please, > with deuterium on top? Then, about 8 hours later, Alexander Hollins wrote: [ ... ] > Is him[Jed] saying, well hell, if you won't let me post politics, im just > not going to post. > That is dead on h

Re: [Vo]:A good bye from Jed for now-this will change, I hope

2009-06-15 Thread John Berry
If Jed stays away however after he has been let back in and does so despite knowing he had plenty of support. Well yes that could be considered worthy of that term, that however has not happened yet. Essentially let's sum it up thus, Grok is/was an ass. He has lead to MR. Beaty drawing a line in t

Re: [Vo]:A good bye from Jed for now-this will change, I hope

2009-06-15 Thread Alexander Hollins
Considering that the other person banned has already been reinstated after asking Bill directly and saying he won't do it again, and the fact that Jed said, I did not >>> realize that people there are uninterested in the politics of cold >>> fusion. >>> Since that is my main area of expertise, I

Re: [Vo]:A good bye from Jed for now-this will change, I hope

2009-06-15 Thread Mike Carrell
Alexander has a crucial fact wrong. Jed did not 'take his ball and go home'. Bill Beaty, the list moderator, expelled Jed from the list. I am pleased with Jed's comments below. It is factual, straightforward, as Jed has always been. Mike Carrell - Original Message - From: "Alexander

Re: [Vo]:Public apology to Kyle Mcallister, and a rephrasing of my original comment

2009-06-15 Thread OrionWorks
Regarding two posts made by Mr. Hollilns: > Has no one learned? This entire conversation should be in B. and > If its actual politics that has to do with the technology and > development of the science, thats one thing. > > The moment it extrapolates to world politics, ect, thats taking it a bi

Re: [Vo]:Jed's temporary ban...

2009-06-15 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Kyle Mcallister wrote: > > Perreault's (don't beat me with a stick for saying his name) > weird-ass coax cable thing. This thing: > http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/radiant_energy_diatribe.htm I wonder what > it does? Probably nothing, but I just happen to have everything > needed to make one. Sett

Re: [Vo]:A good bye from Jed for now-this will change, I hope

2009-06-15 Thread Pete Bogham
> Snip...message from Jed ...I did not realize that people there are uninterested in the politics of cold fusion. Since that is my main area of expertise, I do not have much else to contribute, so I don't see much point to rejoining... I didn't think there was a lack of interest in Jed's p