Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n')3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 6:39 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 05:53 PM 12/7/2009, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner I think there may be a little bit of reason for doubt, as I noted in: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CFnuclearReactions.pdf More than a littl

Re: [Vo]:Yomiuri reports that Toyota will sell a plug-in hybrid

2009-12-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: > With today's technology, refueling a pure electric vehicle takes a major > chunk of time, and can only be done at certain locations. Refueling a hybrid > takes a few minutes and can be done at any gas station. In today's world, > this makes an enormous difference. >

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 06:53 PM 12/7/2009, Horace Heffner wrote: Similarly, the neutron reaction with 12C creates 13C*: n + 12C --> 13C* which then fissions: 13C* --> 3 4He if the 13C* has enough energy. Isn't that 13C* -> 3 4He + n? Yes, that's

Re: [Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n’)3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 05:36 PM 12/7/2009, Horace Heffner wrote: Other neutrons are undoubtedly created, but only tritium reactions produce energies high enough to make the triple tracks. Interesting. Well, we do know there is some tritium there. It could

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:53 PM 12/7/2009, Horace Heffner wrote: Similarly, the neutron reaction with 12C creates 13C*: n + 12C --> 13C* which then fissions: 13C* --> 3 4He if the 13C* has enough energy. Isn't that 13C* -> 3 4He + n?

Re: [Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n’)3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 06:03 PM 12/7/2009, Horace Heffner wrote: On Dec 7, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: In the other direction, most C-12 breakups that occur in the CR-39 are not detected, they must occur within a certain region to be revealed by the etching. This is a good point. They are prob

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n')3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:53 PM 12/7/2009, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner I think there may be a little bit of reason for doubt, as I noted in: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CFnuclearReactions.pdf More than a little doubt, I would say ;-) I don't think so, because the d

Re: [Vo]:Yomiuri reports that Toyota will sell a plug-in hybrid

2009-12-07 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 12/07/2009 02:22 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: [This is a quick translation] Toyota will sell plug in hybrid in 2011 Yomiuri, Dec. 7, 2009 On Dec. 4 Toyota announced plans to begin selling a plug in hybrid (PHV) model in late 2011 that can be plugged into ordinary household current. Target sa

Re: [Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n’)3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:36 PM 12/7/2009, Horace Heffner wrote: Other neutrons are undoubtedly created, but only tritium reactions produce energies high enough to make the triple tracks. Interesting. Well, we do know there is some tritium there. It could be hot tritons that would then fuse with high cross-sectio

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2009-12-07 Thread Terry Blanton
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Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Horace Heffner wrote:> Similarly, the neutron reaction with 12C creates 13C*: > >   n + 12C --> 13C* > > which then fissions: > >   13C* --> 3 4He > > if the 13C* has enough energy. Ah! My mistake was assuming 13C resulted from the decay of 14C but obviously the p

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 05:32 PM 12/7/2009, you wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner > Mr. Heffner has kindly done the calculations, and I wouldn't > consider myself qualified to do them right, at least not the first > time! I *never* get anything right the first time. 8^) Whoa. What about ela

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2009-12-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
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Re: [Vo]:Millsean triple tracks ?

2009-12-07 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:23:13 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Oops - cancel the last two paragraphs as a senior moment. What I meant was - >to add a proton and a neutron from one of the deuterinos. > > > >I'll revise this post - one of these days, if I hear that Borated CR-39 w

RE: [Vo]:Millsean triple tracks ?

2009-12-07 Thread Jones Beene
Oops - cancel the last two paragraphs as a senior moment. What I meant was - to add a proton and a neutron from one of the deuterinos. I'll revise this post - one of these days, if I hear that Borated CR-39 was being used ! Jones From: Jones Beene Any valid alternative explanation for

[Vo]:Millsean triple tracks ?

2009-12-07 Thread Jones Beene
Any valid alternative explanation for 'triple tracks' might accomplish the following: 1) Stick to cold fusion dynamics - not hot fusion, nor some kind of weird combo-fusion 2) Explain the cone with three short equal globules, with the three being left by charged particles, possibly large

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: Maybe someone can explain this comment in the paper: "In the carbon breakup reaction, a metastable 13C shatters into three α particles and the residuals of the reaction can be viewed in the CR-39 detector as a three-prong star where each prong r

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Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n')3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 1:53 PM, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner I think there may be a little bit of reason for doubt, as I noted in: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CFnuclearReactions.pdf More than a little doubt, I would say ;-) I live in hope. 8^) B

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- From: Horace Heffner Mr. Heffner has kindly done the calculations, and I wouldn't consider myself qualified to do them right, at least not the first time! I *never* get anything right the first time. 8^) Whoa. W

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Terry Blanton
Maybe someone can explain this comment in the paper: "In the carbon breakup reaction, a metastable 13C shatters into three α particles and the residuals of the reaction can be viewed in the CR-39 detector as a three-prong star where each prong represents each charged particle that occurs in the de

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 1:41 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:32:56 -0800: Hi, [snip] your underlying assumptions - then one of them could be this. Al- Najjar et al. (1986) reported that the threshold energy of the neutron required to fission

Re: [Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n’)3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 12:43 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 02:48 PM 12/7/2009, Horace Heffner wrote: OTOH, if trace tritium doping were used that number could easily be bumped up by a factor of 10,000, assuming the triple tracks are indeed from 12C(n,n')3alpha reactions. And, another comment

[Vo]:RE: [Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n')3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Horace Heffner I think there may be a little bit of reason for doubt, as I noted in: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/CFnuclearReactions.pdf More than a little doubt, I would say ;-)

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:32:56 -0800: Hi, [snip] >your underlying assumptions - then one of them could be this. Al-Najjar et >al. (1986) reported that the threshold energy of the neutron required to >fission a carbon atom (three alpha) is 9.6 MeV. The authors apparen

Re: [Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n’)3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: At 02:48 PM 12/7/2009, Horace Heffner wrote: One neutron in 100 seconds or more is not a very big number. It is a credible number, assuming my calculations are correct. It would take a very good neutron spectrometer and laboratory condit

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Horace Heffner > Mr. Heffner has kindly done the calculations, and I wouldn't > consider myself qualified to do them right, at least not the first > time! I *never* get anything right the first time. 8^) Whoa. What about elastic collision cross sections

Re: [Vo]:CR-39 and 12C( n,n’)3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread mixent
In reply to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax's message of Mon, 07 Dec 2009 16:43:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] >And, another comment. The triple tracks reported as 10 per chip in >the Naturwissenschaften report were using a silver cathode. It >appears from other work of theirs that neutrons become far more >common w

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Mon, 7 Dec 2009 13:40:40 -0800: Hi, [snip] >Robin - I am surprised that you did not mention, as a possibility, some >version of the hydrino - for instance the "deuterino" at very high >redundancy. If in the form of a di-deuterino would have similar properties -

Re: [Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n’)3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:48 PM 12/7/2009, Horace Heffner wrote: OTOH, if trace tritium doping were used that number could easily be bumped up by a factor of 10,000, assuming the triple tracks are indeed from 12C(n,n')3alpha reactions. And, another comment. The triple tracks reported as 10 per chip in the Naturwi

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 12:16 AM 12/7/2009, Jones Beene wrote: Abd, I do not have the time to devote to this important topic tonight, and will address the points in separate postings later, but first and because ... apparently ... either you do not understand the situation as well as I had imagined earlier, since yo

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 11:45 AM 12/7/2009, Terry Blanton wrote: They also got triple tracks from 5.5 MeV alphas from Am; but, of course, that is 4 times the mass of the single neutron: http://www.springerlink.com/content/022501181p3h764l/ The critical triple tracks are those which are generated where the alphas

Re: [Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n’)3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 02:48 PM 12/7/2009, Horace Heffner wrote: One neutron in 100 seconds or more is not a very big number. It is a credible number, assuming my calculations are correct. It would take a very good neutron spectrometer and laboratory conditions to distinguish that from background. OTOH, if trace tr

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com >But what about the geometry of the cones in figure 2 of my reference: >http://www.springerlink.com/content/022501181p3h764l/ >What else could have that signature inside the polycarbonate? This is a good point. The absence of any track leadin

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 7, 2009, at 11:38 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I believe that Mr. Heffner has responded on the issue. Please feel free to refer to me as Horace. I'm not an authority, I just have a big mouth and say what I see and think. Ditto! Mr. Heffner has kindly done the calculations, a

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Mon, 7 Dec 2009 16:01:20 -0500: Hi, [snip] >On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > >> All in all, I am still of the opinion that the triple tracks are not >> indicative of a three-alpha reaction (12C fission), and that alternatives >> should b

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > All in all, I am still of the opinion that the triple tracks are not > indicative of a three-alpha reaction (12C fission), and that alternatives > should be looked at. But what about the geometry of the cones in figure 2 of my reference: htt

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
I believe that Mr. Heffner has responded on the issue. However, to underscore part of it: At 10:33 PM 12/6/2009, Jones Beene wrote: -Original Message- First question: what is the fission cross-section (3 alpha) of 12C for energetic D+T neutrons? Caveat - please do not confuse this with

[Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n’)3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
Corrected version follows! The density of CR-39 is 1.31 g/cm^3. Mean free path length L, given rho the cross section, and n the number of particles per unit volume, is: L = 1/(rho*n) CR-39 is C12H18O7, molecular weight 274 a.m.u. It is therefore (12*12)/274 = 52.5% carbon by weight. T

[Vo]:CR-39 and 12C(n,n’)3alpha

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
The density of CR-39 is 1.31 g/cm^3. Mean free path length L, given rho the cross section, and n the number of particles per unit volume, is: L = 1/(rho*n) CR-39 is C12H18O7, molecular weight 274 a.m.u. It is therefore (12*12)/274 = 52.5% carbon by weight. The carbon density is 0.525*

Re: [Vo]:Yomiuri reports that Toyota will sell a plug-in hybrid

2009-12-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: 20 km is considerably less than that claimed by the Volt. Interesting how these trade-offs must occur. The trade-off is probably in the number of batteries, which is why the Toyota is cheaper. The latest info I can find on the Volt is that it will be "in the mid to uppe

Re: [Vo]:Yomiuri reports that Toyota will sell a plug-in hybrid

2009-12-07 Thread Terry Blanton
20 km is considerably less than that claimed by the Volt. Interesting how these trade-offs must occur. Terry On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > [This is a quick translation] > > Toyota will sell plug in hybrid in 2011

[Vo]:Yomiuri reports that Toyota will sell a plug-in hybrid

2009-12-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
[This is a quick translation] Toyota will sell plug in hybrid in 2011 Yomiuri, Dec. 7, 2009 On Dec. 4 Toyota announced plans to begin selling a plug in hybrid (PHV) model in late 2011 that can be plugged into ordinary household current. Target sales in the U.S. will be approximately 15,000 v

Re: [Vo]:Alternapedia article on cold fusion lists pros and cons

2009-12-07 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>From Jed: > The whole thing is written by Pierre Carbonnelle, which explains why > it is well researched. On the home page I noticed Pierre is also interested in bequeathing Alternapedia to another responsible party. I can bet it was a lot of work to put together. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson

Re: [Vo]:Alternapedia article on cold fusion lists pros and cons

2009-12-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
The whole thing is written by Pierre Carbonnelle, which explains why it is well researched. - Jed

[Vo]:Alternapedia article on cold fusion lists pros and cons

2009-12-07 Thread Jed Rothwell
Actually, cons and pros. This is sort of interesting. It is well researched. See: http://en.alternapedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion_(nuclear_energy) Sample: Is cold fusion possible ? NO Nuclear fusion in cold fusion experiments would

RE: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton > I am interested in only the *triple tracks* for now. They also got triple tracks from 5.5 MeV alphas from Am; but, of course, that is 4 times the mass of the single neutron: ... not to mention, the alpha is a charged particle. What would be the

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > I am interested in only the *triple tracks* for now. They also got triple tracks from 5.5 MeV alphas from Am; but, of course, that is 4 times the mass of the single neutron: http://www.springerlink.com/content/022501181p3h764l/ Terry

[Vo]:12C(n,n’)3alpha cross section

2009-12-07 Thread Horace Heffner
The cross section for 12C(n,n’)3alpha reaction at 14 MeV is about 0.3 barn. The attached cross section graph is from Chadwick et al.,"Evaluated Cross-Section Libraries and Kerma Factors for Neutrons Up to 100 MeV on 12C", US DOE, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Document UCRL-ID-1208

Re: [Vo]:Tracking the colorful Quark

2009-12-07 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 6 Dec 2009 21:16:04 -0800: Hi, [snip] >First - let's begin with any fast neutron > ~7 MeV, as the author's mention >this value range several times. What other source for these than D+T fusion >do you imagine there to be in this situation? Please list the r