Re: [Vo]:Leaking o-ring on Discovery Booster?

oops the url was incomplete it should be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McUl93gGz-8 harry   > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McUl93gGz- > watch this video of the ascent. > > I think it is just the way the light from the exhaust or the sun illuminates > the structural details on the booster. > >

Re: [Vo]:Leaking o-ring on Discovery Booster?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McUl93gGz- watch this video of the ascent. I think it is just the way the light from the exhaust or the sun illuminates the structural details on the booster. harry - Original Message > From: Horace Heffner > To: Vortex-L > Sent: Fri, February 25, 2011

[Vo]:Leaking o-ring on Discovery Booster?

Look the photo of Discovery here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8346780/Discovery-space- shuttle-the-beginning-of-the-end-for-Nasas-shuttle-programme.html http://tinyurl.com/4ozgo86 Looks like an o-ring is leaking in the lower section of the starboard booster. Best regards, Ho

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude does not believe in the scientific method

On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > Joshua Cude wrote: > > Most of those things are tools, and I believe in them like I believe in >> hammers. But no matter how much you believe in hammers, it doesn't mean you >> can build a house. >> > > Let me spell out what you believe. You

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Ni material

In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:24:21 -0900: Hi, [snip] >On Feb 23, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Dennis wrote: > >> I am not too good at looking at Electron microscope pictures >> perhaps someone here can >> help me understand Rossi's pictures in his patents. us20110005506A1

Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux

At 05:09 PM 2/24/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: The assertion that "a determined con artist" can do this or that strikes me as inadequate. A con artist is not a magician capable of changing the laws of physics or magically influencing instruments. Uh, Jed, a con artist is indeed a magician, that i

Re: [Vo]:Researchers should scale up experiments, if they can

At 03:38 PM 2/24/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: I think one of the lessons of Rossi's success so far is that researchers should aim to produce a larger reaction, if they can. 12 kW is too large in some ways. But I suppose a typical experiment produces a fraction of a watt. 10 W or more would be more

Re: [Vo]:What will convince Joshua Cude?

At 11:56 AM 2/24/2011, Charles Hope wrote: Isn't it more likely that the skeptics simply think the field is a joke, rather than that they're intimidated by the weight of the positive evidence? I don't think anyone is intimidated by the weight of the evidence. Most skeptics simply don't know,

Re: [Vo]:What will convince Joshua Cude?

At 11:44 AM 2/24/2011, Charles Hope wrote: It seems like the field needs a new improved experiment showing helium/heat. Joshua, can you specify some parameters that would convince you? I'm not sure that the "field" needs this, not as a priority. Improved heat/helium would make a nice grad stud

Re: [Vo]:Abd being censured?

At 08:46 PM 2/24/2011, Horace Heffner wrote: I don't think the problem is with eskimo.com. I am getting no email from Abd from two different lists, and I sent a personal message to Abd asking for a reply. I didn't get a reply, so I assume it got swallowed up somewhere as well. Swallowed by m

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Ni material

I wrote: "I still think Cs and Rh provide more likely explanations for the generation of K and Ca and little else, but that is just a not even strongly held opinion." SHould have said: "I still think Cs and Hf provide more likely explanations for the generation of K and Ca and little else,

Re: [Vo]:What will convince Joshua Cude?

I just had to chime in here, after reading this entire thread. I am amazed at how many of you have been so patient. Then again, I had a few that were that patient with me when I first paid attention to "weird science" too. My experience with "septicism" goes back a few years. I am not positive

Re: [Vo]:Abd being censured?

On Feb 22, 2011, at 8:58 AM, William Beaty wrote: On Tue, 22 Feb 2011, Horace Heffner wrote: I have seen responses to Abd ul-Rahman Lomax in my vortex-l email, but have seen no original email from him since 26 Jan, 2011. I just discovered that I can see that he is posting if I go to the

[Vo]:compilation of recent articles about Rossi's E-Cat

A compilation of recent articles about Rossi's E-Cat: http://www.aesopinstitute.org/cold-fusion.html Harry

Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux

Note that when the machine initially started up, it had ~80 W input, a liter per second flow, and the outlet temperature was 40°C. This continued for "a while." I take that to mean long enough for someone to put his hand on the outlet pipe to confirm that the tap water was coming out at body temper

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Ni material

On Feb 24, 2011, at 11:50 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:56:08 -0900: Hi, The reaction Ni-60 + 4 H (cluster) => Ca-40 + Mg-24 + 13.5 MeV readily produces Calcium. Good point! I ignored cluster reactions because I considered the

Re: [Vo]:List of Rossi 18-hour test parameters

On Feb 24, 2011, at 12:19 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:39:36 -0900: Hi, [snip] ..we also don't know how much of the H remained in the Ni after the reaction was finished. Yes, very true. The 25.4 keV is a *minimum* energy per hy

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Ni material

On Feb 24, 2011, at 11:50 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:56:08 -0900: Hi, The reaction Ni-60 + 4 H (cluster) => Ca-40 + Mg-24 + 13.5 MeV readily produces Calcium. Good point! I ignored cluster reactions because I considered the

Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux

Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: I'm not understanding how one would need 130 KW to get, what was it, a 10 KW demo? It produced 130 kW for "a while." QUOTE: "Initially, the temperature of the inflowing water was seven degrees Celsius and for a while the outlet temperature was 40 degrees Celsius. A

Re: [Vo]:List of Rossi 18-hour test parameters

In reply to Peter Gluck's message of Thu, 24 Feb 2011 22:48:52 +0200: Hi, [snip] >Robin, >I don't understand- excuse where is the pressure of hydrogen measured? It is >adsorbed absorbed in the nanometric nickel, the temperature increases there >up to say 400 C- I don't think the reactor has a mano

Re: [Vo]:List of Rossi 18-hour test parameters

In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 24 Feb 2011 11:39:36 -0900: Hi, [snip] >> ..we also don't know how much of the H remained in the Ni after the >> reaction was >> finished. > >Yes, very true. The 25.4 keV is a *minimum* energy per hydrogen >atom. However, if 30% of the Ni was conv

Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux

At 10:34 AM 2/24/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote: Rich Murray <rmfor...@gmail.com> wrote: During a long meditation today, I wondered about the floor under Rossi's demo -- is there a space under it that could allow wires or thin metal tapes to carry 15 KW electric power from

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Ni material

In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Thu, 24 Feb 2011 10:56:08 -0900: Hi, The reaction Ni-60 + 4 H (cluster) => Ca-40 + Mg-24 + 13.5 MeV readily produces Calcium. >Hafnium reactions, Hf + H reactions, like Cs reactions, do not >produce initial negative energy, thus should produce an imme

Re: [Vo]:List of Rossi 18-hour test parameters

Robin, I don't understand- excuse where is the pressure of hydrogen measured? It is adsorbed absorbed in the nanometric nickel, the temperature increases there up to say 400 C- I don't think the reactor has a manometer on it. Peter On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:39 PM, Horace Heffner wrote: > > On Fe

Re: [Vo]:Non-Standard Reactions

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Mark Iverson wrote: > Because of the multiple uses of words like nuclear and fission and fusion, > the message was FWDed to the Department of Homeland Security... Jones, warm > up the tea and crumpets... you'll be having some expected, but uninvited, > visitors soo

Re: [Vo]:List of Rossi 18-hour test parameters

On Feb 23, 2011, at 5:47 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:35:03 -0900: Hi, [snip] This 270kWh per 0.4 g if hydrogen is obviously well beyond chemical if the consumables actually are H and Ni. The energy E per H is: E = (270kwh)

[Vo]:Researchers should scale up experiments, if they can

I think one of the lessons of Rossi's success so far is that researchers should aim to produce a larger reaction, if they can. 12 kW is too large in some ways. But I suppose a typical experiment produces a fraction of a watt. 10 W or more would be more persuasive. It has emotional appeal. It shows

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Ni material

Hafnium reactions, Hf + H reactions, like Cs reactions, do not produce initial negative energy, thus should produce an immediate strong force reaction. Production of both potassium and Ca from this source is likely, though calcium should dominate the reaction products. Also the radiation

Re: [Vo]:propellantless propulsion

On Feb 24, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Roarty, Francis X wrote: On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:24: Horace Heffner wrote [snip] The following 1993 article includes my quantitative treatment of this approach: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ZPE-CasimirThrust.pdf Horace, I was able to follow your

RE: [Vo]:Non-Standard Reactions

Because of the multiple uses of words like nuclear and fission and fusion, the message was FWDed to the Department of Homeland Security... Jones, warm up the tea and crumpets... you'll be having some expected, but uninvited, visitors soon... :-) -Mark _ From: Horace Heffner [mailto:hh

Re: [Vo]:Non-Standard Reactions

On Feb 24, 2011, at 8:33 AM, Jones Beene wrote: This is a resend, with a different subject heading, as apparently the first posting triggered an ISP filter in cyber-space. Say, I got a message to that effect,"Symantec Email Proxy deleted the following email message:": Resent-From

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:PiezoFission or K-capture ?

The Greco- Hol-e-y Roman Empire -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 11:46 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:PiezoFission or K-capture ? Greco-Roman

[Vo]:Non-Standard Reactions

This is a resend, with a different subject heading, as apparently the first posting triggered an ISP filter in cyber-space. In addition to the three "usual suspects" in nuclear fission: 1) thermal neutron induced fission 2) fast neutron induced fission which happen via

RE: [Vo]:What will convince Joshua Cude?

Charles wrote: "Isn't it more likely that the skeptics simply think the field is a joke, rather than that they're intimidated by the weight of the positive evidence?" Yes, given the ridicule that CF has received over the years, that is certainly a good possibility... We're very complex beings an

Re: [Vo]:What will convince Joshua Cude?

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > > The key that something was really off was, though, that he'd make sweeping > statements that were clearly false, such as no peer-reviewed confirmation of > heat/helium after Miles in 1993. I cited the counter-examples. > > If those h

Re: [Vo]:What will convince Joshua Cude?

Isn't it more likely that the skeptics simply think the field is a joke, rather than that they're intimidated by the weight of the positive evidence? Sent from my iPhone. On Feb 24, 2011, at 10:52, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 01:30 AM 2/24/2011, you wrote: >> Not being able to concede a

Re: [Vo]:What will convince Joshua Cude?

At 02:05 AM 2/24/2011, Rich Murray wrote: Abd, Thanks for your generous, civil response to Terry's "idiot" -- uh, naturally, it increases my confidence in you when you show up as the only one to fully understand and support my simple "The Emperor has no clothes..." critique about the error by S

Re: [Vo]:PiezoFission or K-capture ?

Greco-Roman

Re: [Vo]:What will convince Joshua Cude?

It seems like the field needs a new improved experiment showing helium/heat. Joshua, can you specify some parameters that would convince you? Sent from my iPhone. >

Re: [Vo]:COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC News topix photo of maiko (geisha-in-training)

--- On Thu, 2/24/11, Jed Rothwell wrote: > From: Jed Rothwell > Subject: [Vo]:COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC News topix photo of maiko > (geisha-in-training) > To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" > Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 7:20 AM > See: > > http://photo.sankei.jp.msn.com/highlight/data/2011/02/24/ma

Re: [Vo]:propellantless propulsion

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:24: Horace Heffner wrote [snip] The following 1993 article includes my quantitative treatment of this approach: http://mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ZPE-CasimirThrust.pdf Horace, I was able to follow your paper and agree with your results but have some questi

[Vo]:PiezoFission or K-capture ?

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/23803/ Do the Italians believe in 'coincidence' ? (i.e. that aligned events which are apparently unconnected are not truly random but are meme-influenced) The title of one of the papers is "Can Pressure Waves Speed Up Nuclear Decay?" by Fabio Cardone in

RE: [Vo]:What will convince Joshua Cude?

At 01:30 AM 2/24/2011, you wrote: Not being able to concede a point is a clear sign of someone with an ulterior motive, or a pathological skeptic who simply can't accept things which challenge their understanding of things. Not surprising... He reminds me of some of the worst editors on Wikip

Re: [Vo]:COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC News topix photo of maiko (geisha-in-training)

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I can't decide if this looks grotesque or beautiful. It is indeed classic. T

RE: [Vo]:Rossi Ni material

One other comment on Rossi's patent application. It probably is a "smoke screen" (well-planned strategic diversion). By that I mean that it is clearly poorly drafted and almost worthless, and moreover I think he knows this - and indeed has actually planned it this way. There are likely

[Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux

Rich Murray wrote: > During a long meditation today, I wondered about the floor under Rossi's > demo -- is there a space under it that could allow wires or thin metal tapes > to carry 15 KW electric power from public electric power on a different > meter than that for the building, with provisio

[Vo]:COMPLETELY OFF TOPIC News topix photo of maiko (geisha-in-training)

See: http://photo.sankei.jp.msn.com/highlight/data/2011/02/24/maiko/ I can't decide if this looks grotesque or beautiful. As you see, they still have a few maiko (geisha-in-training) in Japan. The women shown here are training for a dance, I gather, Kyo-odori (Kyoto Dance), in Kyoto, Higashiy

[Vo]:Symantec Email Proxy Deleted Message

Symantec Email Proxy deleted the following email message: From: "Jones Beene" To: Subject: Non-standard kinds of nuclear fission

Re: [Vo]:Is there a "SONO" connection to the Rossi Demo?

I have already asked. My suggestion was that somebody should bring a dog to the next demo (official or mot) poor dogs hear the ultrasound and are repelled by it, get panicked. Postmen use such devices to protect themselves against dog biting. Waiting for an answer. Peter On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:

RE: [Vo]:Is there a "SONO" connection to the Rossi Demo?

Peter, No, ultrasound would not turn up on any video as the microphones only go up to about 10 kHz. Lower harmonics are doubtful due to the lead shielding. Some few people are annoyed by ultrasound, and can tell if it is present - even if they cannot exactly 'hear' it. From: Peter Glu

RE: [Vo]:OT: Collective bargaining

I have to be careful about not performing specific union activity while at work. This brief reply was sent from home. I'm sure there are corrupt union officials, just as I'm sure there are corrupt corporate executives. As the old saying goes power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Re: [Vo]:What will convince Joshua Cude?

On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:04 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote: > At 04:31 PM 2/21/2011, Joshua Cude wrote: > > You are arguing with a straw man, Joshua. > You're call yourself a straw man? It's obvious that "many scientists" do not "accept" cold fusion. So people > write to explain it. That's som

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Ni material

Correction. I just noticed the two Ca creating Cs + H reactions do not produce initial negative energy, thus should produce an immediate strong force reaction. Production of potassium from this is unlikely, though calcium should dominate the reaction products. Also the radiation (34 MeV)

Re: [Vo]:Rossi Ni material

On Feb 23, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Dennis wrote: I am not too good at looking at Electron microscope pictures perhaps someone here can help me understand Rossi's pictures in his patents. us20110005506A1 http://www.google.com/patents? id=84vwEBAJ&pg=PA1&lpg=PA1&dq=us20110005506A1 +Rossi&s