Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux

2011-02-28 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 25, 2011, at 1:11 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Lots of people feel that way, and are doing similar experiments. As far as I know, Brian Ahern is leading the pack. Ask him for some of his material. He was one of these people who made a large impact at ICCF-16 without being there.

[Vo]:enhanced catalytic dissociation

2011-02-28 Thread froarty
An interesting Russian paper from 1999 discusses the disassociation of h2. It is titled “The enhanced catalytic dissociation of adsorbed hydrogen containing molecules”. http://www.icmp.lviv.ua/journal/zbirnyk.19/019/art19.pdf . by V.G.Litovchenko, A.A.Efremov Abstract: Some general

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Nickel

2011-02-28 Thread froarty
The geometry between these powder grains may represent the nano geometry, note in their pix of 2 grains the way they interlock and the geometry formed by the packing arrangement. http://www.korea-nickel.co.kr/products/image/powders_img001.gif Fran Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Nickel Dennis Sun, 27

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Nickel

2011-02-28 Thread Peter Gluck
I think that nickel is processed, transformed in nanometric clusters as described in the WO Patent 2010/058288 of Piantelli - having a high density of active sites and no impurities adsorbed. There are chances that Rossi is doing something similar. Peter On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 4:45 PM, froarty

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude does not believe in the scientific method

2011-02-28 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 04:57 PM 2/26/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Obviously, me calling them fringe does not make it so. But if people who work on fringe science represent a fringe group, then it is not really a matter of opinion. As long

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude does not believe in the scientific method

2011-02-28 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Abd: ... Younger scientists are becoming educated in what actually happened in 1989-1990. ... The skepticism is most entrenched among physicists, who seem to be unwilling to acknowledge that there might be something happening that they don't understand. The irony here is that

[Vo]:Russian Oilies Invest in LENR

2011-02-28 Thread Terry Blanton
Last sentence. http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chennai/cold-fusion-predicted-10-yrs-183 Cold fusion predicted in 10 yrs February 12th, 2011 Chennai, Feb. 11: Though reluctant to recognise the viability of the low energy nuclear reactor built by Italian scientists Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi,

RE: [Vo]:enhanced catalytic dissociation

2011-02-28 Thread Jones Beene
This is an interesting alloy for a spillover catalyst, since it shows significant improvement over Pd alone. I wonder how Cu-Pd compares with Ni-Pd in that regard? From: froarty An interesting Russian paper from 1999 discusses the disassociation of h2. It is titled “The

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude does not believe in the scientific method

2011-02-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:45 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: The irony here is that encountering phenomenon that is not currently understood (according to current accepted theory) is precisely what physicists ought to yearn for in their professional lives.

Re: [Vo]:Russian Oilies Invest in LENR

2011-02-28 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
As Terry pointed out in: http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chennai/cold-fusion-predicted-10-yrs-183 Excerpt: Igor Goryachev, a scientist from Research Institute of Nuclear Instrumentation, Russia, said there has been considerable interest in LENR projects in his country. “Interestingly, oil

Re: [Vo]:Russian Oilies Invest in LENR

2011-02-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 11:08 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: I gather most within the Vort Collective tend to express considerable skepticism in believing that anyone deeply invested in the petroleum industry would show any interest whatsoever in pursuing

Re: [Vo]:Russian Oilies Invest in LENR

2011-02-28 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Terry: Yes, but you are discounting the fact that the Russian oil tycoons are nouveau riche.  Russia's Siberian Khatru has been a long time in development and they many not have the mindset that exists in Western Oilers. Hmmm... Should we welcome the mindset of Russia's Siberian

Re: [Vo]:Russian Oilies Invest in LENR

2011-02-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:33 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Should we welcome the mindset of Russia's Siberian Khatru, or should we be a little concerned. IOW, what else is in their mindset? I don't know if they are related to the Oil Industry; but, NYC

Re: [Vo]:Joshua Cude does not believe in the scientific method

2011-02-28 Thread Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
At 10:45 AM 2/28/2011, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: From Abd: ... Younger scientists are becoming educated in what actually happened in 1989-1990. ... The skepticism is most entrenched among physicists, who seem to be unwilling to acknowledge that there might be something happening

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's Nickel

2011-02-28 Thread Jones Beene
Earlier I had written, but not given the obvious terminology to the following: AFAIK - no one in LENR has ever tried large amounts (kilograms?) of active matrix material before, even Mills, and a liter volume capacity tube will hold ... perhaps 2 kg of nanopowder. Moreover, the 5 PLC controllers

Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux

2011-02-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: What impact did Brian Ahern make on ICCF-16? There was no paper of his presented, at least not in the abstracts. Was it talk regarding his Pd-Ni-Zr oxide composite “PNZ2B” used by Kitamura1 et al? Mainly that. That was presented by Kitamura.

RE: [Vo]:Russian Oilies Invest in LENR

2011-02-28 Thread Jones Beene
Another slant - given that Russia is a true kleptocracy these days, should not Rossi be worried about their interest in this device? Matter of fact, maybe 'Greek's bearing gifts' is a clever disguise for the Русская мафия and it is already too late ... -Original Message- From: Terry

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Nickel

2011-02-28 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Jones Beene wrote: A main conceptual problem, as always with LENR, is: how is the gamma and neutron radiation being suppressed? Jones Sigh. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/

Re: [Vo]:Russian Oilies Invest in LENR

2011-02-28 Thread Terry Blanton
2011/2/28 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: Matter of fact, maybe 'Greek's bearing gifts' is a clever disguise for the Русская мафия and it is already too late ... So, Semion Mogilevich IS Symeon Tsalikoglou AND Keyser Söze! Bloody hell! T

Re: [Vo]:Russian Oilies Invest in LENR

2011-02-28 Thread Terry Blanton
2011/2/28 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net: Matter of fact, maybe 'Greek's bearing gifts' is a clever disguise for the Русская мафия and it is already too late ... So, Semion Mogilevich IS Symeon Tsalikoglou AND Keyser Söze! Bloody hell! T

[Vo]:Fleischmann's Type A palladium

2011-02-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Terry Blanton wrote: I agree. However, even people who bought their Pd from the same source as FP (Johnson Matthey?) had less success because there was something special in the way it was processed. I think that process has yet to be revealed? I'm sure Jed would remember. The process

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's Nickel

2011-02-28 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Very Plausible Theory! So the control loop is easier to implement with larger mass. Regarding Gamma radiation, I think Naudt's suggestion of a relativistic hydrino is a big clue. A local observer/grad student inside the vacuum energy suppressing geometry would see a normal hydrogen radius and

Re: [Vo]:Russian Oilies Invest in LENR

2011-02-28 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:44:22 -0500: Hi, [snip] On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 12:33 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Should we welcome the mindset of Russia's Siberian Khatru, or should we be a little concerned. IOW, what else is

Re: [Vo]:Fleischmann's Type A palladium

2011-02-28 Thread Dennis
I know that my best early work was with Pd+Ag. I used the old Shaffer fountain pin numbs (circa late 50's) The diffusion palladium was 23% Ag if memory serves. Fleischmann's boil off cathode had Ce in it if memory serves. D2 From: Jed Rothwell Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 2:16 PM

Re: [Vo]:The 'magic' of pycno

2011-02-28 Thread mixent
In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sun, 27 Feb 2011 14:52:35 -0900: Hi, [snip] A virtual neutron is a small neutral object comprising a proton and an electron with a mass less than that of a real neutron, that hasn't (yet?) undergone a weak force reaction. It has the ability to

RE: [Vo]:Fleischmann's Type A palladium

2011-02-28 Thread Jones Beene
From: Dennis * Fleischmann's boil off cathode had Ce in it if memory serves. Another coincidence in the category of 'nothing new under the sun'. Just today I have been discussing an old paper: http://books.google.com/books?id=OvYtIAAJ

Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux

2011-02-28 Thread Harry Veeder
harry wrote: If the premises of the other side not understood or recognised then it may seem illogical. Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:  Premises?  No, just simple definitions. They're using well accepted and understood terms, and the definitions of those well understood terms simply rule out

Re: [Vo]:Russian Oilies Invest in LENR

2011-02-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 5:39 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: ...and I thought it was run by the Mafia. ;) It was. No longer. T

Re: [Vo]:Yes, cold fusion is a fringe subject by the standards of Wikipedia

2011-02-28 Thread Jed Rothwell
Charles Hope lookslikeiwasri...@gmail.com wrote: There is no mathematical definition of fringe. There is, however, a conventional definition of what constitutes mainstream science. It calls for professional scientists, replication, peer-review, a high s/n ratio and various other things.

Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux

2011-02-28 Thread Harry Veeder
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, February 27, 2011 9:45:55 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Hidden wire hypothesis redux Harry Veeder hlvee...@yahoo.com wrote: evidence is not relevant in this case; only if they can show that fixed-geometry systems with an

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Nickel

2011-02-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Jones Beene wrote: A main conceptual problem, as always with LENR, is: how is the gamma and neutron radiation being suppressed? Jones Sigh. g So . . . It all comes together here:

RE: [Vo]:Rossi's Nickel

2011-02-28 Thread Jones Beene
It's always before dinner ... or after five g... somewhere. On first glance, that blog seems to put vortex to shame in terms of extreme... err ... extreme something... Jones -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Nickel On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Horace

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Nickel

2011-02-28 Thread Horace Heffner
On Feb 28, 2011, at 1:01 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Jones Beene wrote: A main conceptual problem, as always with LENR, is: how is the gamma and neutron radiation being suppressed?

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's Nickel

2011-02-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: I'm depressed.  Haven't finished my taxes. Sigh. I'm depressed, too. I HAVE finished my taxes. T