Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 2:00 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote: This big string also appears somewhere in our random string, hence our random string is a perfect ToE. This is the assumption I'm querying. I'm not saying it's incorrect, I'm just wondering whether it's certain that it is

Re: [Vo]:Russian meteor causes blast; hundreds injured

2013-02-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 12:06 PM, John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com wrote: I have not seen the video, You should. Yes -- I should have watched it first. It does not look like parallax. It looks like a hoax. Eric

Re: [Vo]:rather big fragment of the Chelyabinsk is discovered (fwd)

2013-02-24 Thread ChemE Stewart
Based upon the size of the crater we should go dig it up then and erase our national debt On Saturday, February 23, 2013, David Roberson wrote: I visited it once and the story is that the meteorite came in at a steep angle and is buried under one of the rims. Dave -Original

Re: [Vo]:Tech Predictions

2013-02-24 Thread Alain Sepeda
It is not sustainable. All is based on taxes and subsidies, and on false price not taking the reality of variable demand across the day. backup thermal energy is not paid at real price. The LENR CHP will reduce the consumption and bill of home, bill which already hard to accept in germany

Re: [Vo]:rather big fragment of the Chelyabinsk is discovered (fwd)

2013-02-24 Thread David Roberson
I believe it was an iron meteorite. The value of one of these items is proportional to what someone else is willing to pay for it. I have a strong suspicion that the amount of money you could get for it would be a lot less than you believe. Remember supply and demand? Too much supply of

[Vo]:OT: Gene doping, Part 2

2013-02-24 Thread Jones Beene
Interesting article on a simple worm parasite that lives to be very old, comparatively. Probably this is the human equivalent of Methuselah, but not as a myth, or a fiction like your Third Eye, Nick Danger. :-) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/02/130222143142.htm As a senior citizen

Re: [Vo]:star shaped gravity waves

2013-02-24 Thread Harry Veeder
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Mark Goldes mgol...@chavaenergy.com wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/23/star-shaped-gravity-waves-physicists-france_n_2744664.html?ir=Science quote: It is generally accepted that the shape of the waves depends on the container shape, said researcher

Re: [Vo]:star shaped gravity waves

2013-02-24 Thread David Roberson
I agree this is interesting behavior. I have a suspicion that the shapes that emerge do so because of a very high Q resonance at the particular frequencies that the final waveform is composed of. Trying to figure out which frequencies will have that characteristic would be the difficult part.

Re: [Vo]:star shaped gravity waves

2013-02-24 Thread Harry Veeder
Found a preprint of the paper! http://www.unice.fr/rajchenbach/starPRL.pdf It has one set of pictures showing a similiar pattern in both a circular container and a square container. Harry On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:53 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I agree this is interesting

[Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Edmund Storms
Let's start from a different viewpoint. I would like to find out from Tom and other people whether their approach can be applied to my approach. I'm trying to explain what is common to all approaches, which might be combined, and where they are different and might need to be modified. I

Re: [Vo]:star shaped gravity waves

2013-02-24 Thread ChemE Stewart
Harry, Thanks for that link. What is interesting to me, as I have curiously plowed thru hundreds of crop circle images to get a feel for them, some of those gravity waves and interference patterns tend to also show up in the fields. A very good visual site for those interested in browsing the

[Vo]: Craters and NAE

2013-02-24 Thread David Roberson
The other day I hypothesized that the density of the NAE along the surface of the active metal should be an important factor related to the magnitude of a nuclear reaction once initiated. The reason I suggested was because of the fact that any energy released by the reactions taking place must

Re: [Vo]:rather big fragment of the Chelyabinsk is discovered (fwd)

2013-02-24 Thread James Bowery
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2005/1190/of2005-1190.pdf On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 9:54 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I believe it was an iron meteorite. The value of one of these items is proportional to what someone else is willing to pay for it. I have a strong suspicion that the

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Axil Axil
I my view, heat and/or the application of pulsed electric current are/is an indispensable ingredient in the LENR reaction. Do you agree? On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: Let's start from a different viewpoint. I would like to find out from Tom and

Re: [Vo]:rather big fragment of the Chelyabinsk is discovered (fwd)

2013-02-24 Thread ChemE Stewart
Dave, I believe it was a chondrite: http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i8/Russian-Meteor-Chondrite.html Like my usual, I was joking a bit about the overall price, I agree on your economics. What is more interesting to me is to see how much of this object they actually retrieve. Life would be

Re: [Vo]: Craters and NAE

2013-02-24 Thread Axil Axil
Thermal imaging of NAE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb9V_qFKf2Mfeature=player_embedded On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:43 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: The other day I hypothesized that the density of the NAE along the surface of the active metal should be an important factor

Re: [Vo]: Craters and NAE

2013-02-24 Thread David Roberson
That is great evidence in favor. Thanks Axil. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:10 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: Craters and NAE Thermal imaging of NAE

Re: [Vo]:rather big fragment of the Chelyabinsk is discovered (fwd)

2013-02-24 Thread David Roberson
I had a suspicion that you were joking about that. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:58 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:rather big fragment of the Chelyabinsk is discovered (fwd) Dave, I believe it was a

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 24, 2013, at 10:51 AM, Axil Axil wrote: I my view, heat and/or the application of pulsed electric current are/is an indispensable ingredient in the LENR reaction. Do you agree? You ask several questions at the same time. The LENR process requires energy to overcome a slight

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Axil Axil
Heat interacts with the lattice at the sites of lattice imperfections to activate the NAE. This is the exciton: a bound state of an electron and hole which are attracted to each other by the electrostatic Coulomb force. It is an electrically neutral quasiparticle. A plasmon is a quantum of plasma

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread mixent
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:26:37 -0700: Hi, [snip] You ask several questions at the same time. The LENR process requires energy to overcome a slight energy barrier present within the overall process. Consequently, it has a positive temperature effect. In other

Re: [Vo]:rather big fragment of the Chelyabinsk is discovered (fwd)

2013-02-24 Thread James Bowery
Yeah what else is he joking about? On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I had a suspicion that you were joking about that. Dave -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, Feb 24,

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Axil Axil
The spectroscopic anomalies that have here to for been cited as proof of the existence of Hydrinos could well originate from collections of electrons stored in artificial atoms formed in nano-cavities subject to Fano resonant spectral modifications at high electron loading. See

Re: [Vo]:rather big fragment of the Chelyabinsk is discovered (fwd)

2013-02-24 Thread ChemE Stewart
Love you too man On Sunday, February 24, 2013, James Bowery wrote: Yeah what else is he joking about? On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 12:14 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'dlrober...@aol.com'); wrote: I had a suspicion that you were joking about that. Dave

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Edmund Storms
Yes Robin, hydrinos are a possible feature in the LENR process. Several people have proposed this idea using a different justification than Mills gives. However, this is not the only feature in the process that needs energy to occur. At the present time, the understanding has to focus on

[Vo]:How droplets adhere

2013-02-24 Thread Mark Goldes
This may be of interest... http://www.spacemart.com/reports/Thats_the_way_the_droplets_adhere_999.html Mark Goldes Co-Founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Axil Axil
The rules of the game *No idea can be accepted if it violates basic chemical rules no matter how much QM is applied or how complex the mathematical justification.* Is QM considered a chemical rule? I found a reference that purports to prove hydrinos are incompatible with quantum mechanics.

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Edmund Storms
Axil, QM is only a tool. It is not a law. It is a tool used to describe behavior. Yes, many aspects of chemistry can be described using QM. On the other hand, the concept that energy states have a characteristic energy, i.e. quanta, is a law of nature. The hydrino is a concept put forth

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread James Bowery
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: ...No matter which kind of structure is proposed, its formation MUST follow known and accepted chemical rules because this is initially a normal chemical structure that forms within a normal chemical structure. No idea

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 24, 2013, at 1:59 PM, James Bowery wrote: On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.com wrote: ...No matter which kind of structure is proposed, its formation MUST follow known and accepted chemical rules because this is initially a normal chemical structure

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Axil Axil
You have oftentimes citied imagination as unproductive in the formulation of theory. I might rightfully apply the method that Mills uses to interpret the experimental basis of the hydrino theory as imagination. QM says it’s impossible to know what those electrons are actually doing to produce

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Axil Axil wrote: You have oftentimes citied imagination as unproductive in the formulation of theory. To be clear, I said use of ONLY imagination is a waste of time. A theory has be be related to reality - imagination does not. Nevertheless, theory very

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread David Roberson
Robin, The net energy released by a single fusion reaction is measured in the MeV, not eV. That is why I believe that there is a mutual interaction between individual NAE. The local heat energy release is large and can not escape the area except through diffusion which is a slow process

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Edmund Storms
Dave, what behavior of LENR can only be explained by proposing coupling between the NAE sites? Of course, coupling is expected based on local temperature and a photon flux. What more do you propose? Ed On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:26 PM, David Roberson wrote: Robin, The net energy released by a

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Axil Axil
Recapitulating your famous quote as follows” “Many explanations have been proposed that are based on imagined ways energy could accumulate in sufficient amount in the chemical lattice to overcome the Coulomb barrier, either directly or as result of neutron formation. These processes also

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread David Roberson
Ed, I have been looking at the craters that have formed upon the surface of some of the earlier active experiments. Also, Axil supplied a fine link that demonstrated hot spots being formed upon the surface of another system. I can run down the picture reference if you wish, but I suspect that

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 24, 2013, at 2:45 PM, Axil Axil wrote: Recapitulating your famous quote as follows” “Many explanations have been proposed that are based on imagined ways energy could accumulate in sufficient amount in the chemical lattice to overcome the Coulomb barrier, either directly or as

Re: [Vo]:Tech Predictions

2013-02-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 6:17 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote: the other is that EU make a regulation to forbid LENR, but when big energy master LENR, they will obtain the monopoly to exploit LENR, keep the price, keep the grid, and waste most of LENR added value in useless safety

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread Edmund Storms
On Feb 24, 2013, at 3:06 PM, David Roberson wrote: Ed, I have been looking at the craters that have formed upon the surface of some of the earlier active experiments. Also, Axil supplied a fine link that demonstrated hot spots being formed upon the surface of another system. I can run

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread David Roberson
OK, I think I understand what you are describing after your detailed explanation. Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears as though you are assuming that a random collection of individual events is leading to the crater formation and hot spots. This is a possible cause and might indeed be

Re: [Vo]:Violante and others are trying the engineering approach

2013-02-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:41 AM, Paul Breed p...@rasdoc.com wrote: I realize that I've shown up here as a newbe and immediately gored the sacred cows and questioned the answers of some of the most respected longest contributing members on this list. I do so with great respect for your

Re: [Vo]:Do Ni H LENR reactions generate detectable radiation?

2013-02-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Paul Breed p...@rasdoc.com wrote: (As others have pointed out one needs to be above the curie temperature of the material being tested.) Don't take this assertion too much to heart. I have doubts about it's general applicability. On this list we like to

Re: [Vo]:Do Ni H LENR reactions generate detectable radiation?

2013-02-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: ***I do not understand why this isn't being investigated more thoroughly. It's not as if you've proposed some new physics. I think it is new physics, and that Jones will agree with this statement. He's proposing that

Re: [Vo]:Explaining Cold fusion -IV

2013-02-24 Thread torulf.greek
Hi! Please excuse errors. English is not my native language. If we want to make better LENR and find a start for a theory so may it bee good to leave out the nuclear physics for a moment. If cracks is the site for NAE it would be good to see watt have been done about micro cracks in metals.

Re: [Vo]:explaining LENR -III

2013-02-24 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote: In addition, the behavior of helium and tritium show that they are made very near the surface and not in the bulk. These issues have been well discussed. To elaborate, the conclusion that Pd/D LENR is a surface effect

Re: [Vo]:explaining LENR -III

2013-02-24 Thread Eric Walker
I wrote: 2. There have been several high-profile Pd/D experiments that have proposed a correlation of 4He off-gas production on the order of the heat observed -- somewhere near 24 MeV per palladium atom, although the precise value is in dispute. Correction -- the value (which is disputed)